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Spot on Vasty.

Carter has his critics yet I understand and support more than 90% of what he does. I think the only steps of his I would reassess are his historic approaches to social media. Yet we are in 2015 and I think a slightly different social media strategy can be used to our advantage (one like you suggest, positive or factual news and ignore trolls).

The discipline steps are, like you say, very appropriate and handled well. It demonstrates a level of professionalism from management.

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Like the others I agree completely, although I can't really comment on the use of Tw*tter as I can't be doing with it myself. Onwards and upwards I say, and I reckon we're actually it could be more than just words this year.

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Well said Vasty,it's about time MC got some praise for his and CB efforts and not forgetting his good lady Tracy who has taken plenty of flack from individuals.Onwards and upwards from now on icon_thumb.gif

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Quote: vastman "… a mutley medal.

Seriously I have been a big critic of his but I’m beginning to think he’s getting it.

1, over a week since the MPG and not a single negative comment on Twitter or anywhere else. In fact just a steady trickle of very positive news.

2, the sacking of T Smith and to a lesser degree Locke. I know we won but we’d have won easier IMHO with T Smith. However he broke the rules and Carter/B Smith proved no one is bigger than the club. It was a risk but it’s paid off with a strong message sent out that the club is tough but fair. I say fair because Lyne who it appears was just caught up in a bad situation could probably have also been sacked. The way he’s played this year it could have been tempting, but as he was unfortunately in the wrong place at the wrong time then he was given the benefit - that was pretty fair IMHO. Ditto Anderson who was out of order even with mitigating circumstance - a slap on the wrist was all that was required and that’s all he got. Great man management by the CEO and his Coach.

3, if the stories are true then telling L Smith where to go with his pay demands was a master stroke - the one thing you can’t ever do is let the Players and his their parasite that you can be bullied by an on form players demands. Message sent out very loudly in this case. Sad really because I don’t see Smith as that kind of player - I suspect he took bad advise from his parasite.

These are big steps forward IMO and with the signing of England (a player who would make most bottom 8 teams) is another good start.'"


You're beginning to think he is getting it?! People accuse me of arrogance!!

Carter has been superb, played his hand, which has been a tough one very well and has given the club a base on which to move forward for the first time in a very long time.

The pressure he has been under it's not unexpected to see a few rants on twitter.

Maybe, just maybe it's not him that is "getting it" but you in hindsight.

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Its a bit scary to even begin to believe things are generally on the 'way up' re:Trinity, as they usually come 'tumbling down'.
Fingers and everything else crossed.

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Also he took on the Bank of Ireland and won. I do agree that he needs not to react to the Twitter stuff however like most of us he is sensitive to criticism and wants to address the balance.

I would like him to take the bull by the horns and insist that away fans have the West Terrace. If the odd home fan wants to occupy the same piece of concrete they've stood on down that side for the last 40 years then let them.

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Quote: jonh "You're beginning to think he is getting it?! People accuse me of arrogance!!

Carter has been superb, played his hand, which has been a tough one very well and has given the club a base on which to move forward for the first time in a very long time.

The pressure he has been under it's not unexpected to see a few rants on twitter.

Maybe, just maybe it's not him that is "getting it" but you in hindsight.'"



No jonh he hasn't been superb actually and that's not just my opinion. It's not arrogance its opinion, and as a real Trinity fan rather than one who picks and choses I'm allowed to express it on an open forum.

I am fully aware of how difficult a club like Trinity is to run I don't need a bandwagon jumper like you to tell me. I’ve seen this club rise and fall at least three times and always done my bit.

So you tell me this, why should I have to listen your pious crud when I’ve seen real fans like Bigal forced to walk away - I get that. I’ve seen Wisca, Squadbuilder and most other fan organisations shunned and ignored to a point where they virtually don’t exist anymore - I get that. I’ve seen the Academy crash and burn under Glover and not improve one bit under MC - i get that. I’ve seen the club leech fans this season like never before - I get that. I’ve seen endless bad publicity in the last two seasons, more than the previous twenty put together - I get that. We’ve signed some of the worst bandits in RL and made ourselves the destination of choice for them - I get that.

We can turn this into a negative thread if you wish I’m not short of ammo, or we can move forward - but don’t you dare lecture me - the last few years have been awful and though not all of that can be laid at Carters feet he has to shoulder some of the blame - I get that.

So Jonh you tell me what you don’t get.

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Quote: jonh "You're beginning to think he is getting it?! People accuse me of arrogance!!

Carter has been superb, played his hand, which has been a tough one very well and has given the club a base on which to move forward for the first time in a very long time.

The pressure he has been under it's not unexpected to see a few rants on twitter.

Maybe, just maybe it's not him that is "getting it" but you in hindsight.'"


Vasty has already succinctly responded - and has also correctly added MC has nicely turned some
situations around, without a hint of arrogance.

There were some really low times at BV last year - and the Million Pound match may just have been the turnaround of this. Fingers crossed.

You don't help yourself do you?

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Firstly you are covering old ground. Michael Carter had 1 job and he has achieved it. There has clearly been a strategic plan all along, like all plans it has been reviewed and changed due to circumstances.

Obviously he has and will make mistakes especially considering he is still in real terms brand new to the role.

Lots has had to be sacrificed along the way to achieve the ultimate goal. I'm not for one second lecturing anyone, I do however find it amusing that you seem to think he is finally "getting it" after saving the club and ensuring it remains in SL. Running a business involved priorities he has had his and the job has been done.

I'm sure however that in the wake of him saving the club he will be over the moon that in your opinion he is "getting it".

You can get personal all you like, I'm a bigger man than that and significantly too intelligent to go down that route. If fans have walked away that is a shame, but I guarantee a lot more would have walked away had he concentrated on other distractions this year than remaining in SL.

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Quote: jonh "Firstly you are covering old ground. Michael Carter had 1 job and he has achieved it. There has clearly been a strategic plan all along, like all plans it has been reviewed and changed due to circumstances.

Obviously he has and will make mistakes especially considering he is still in real terms brand new to the role.

Lots has had to be sacrificed along the way to achieve the ultimate goal. I'm not for one second lecturing anyone, I do however find it amusing that you seem to think he is finally "getting it" after saving the club and ensuring it remains in SL. Running a business involved priorities he has had his and the job has been done.

I'm sure however that in the wake of him saving the club he will be over the moon that in your opinion he is "getting it".

You can get personal all you like, I'm a bigger man than that and significantly too intelligent to go down that route. If fans have walked away that is a shame, but I guarantee a lot more would have walked away had he concentrated on other distractions this year than remaining in SL.'"


Now that's arrogant.

You have it your way, however I'd love to know how the fans of your beloved Wigan would have reacted to a season that was only a tenth as bad as ours let alone the one we got. Or is it your belief that Wigan fans have a right to success whilst Trinity fans should just lump it and be eternally grateful to sit at the foot of the table.

As for personal - how so, what bit wasn't true?

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No club has a right to success, good clubs well run succeed poor clubs fail.

Not sure what Wigan fans have to do with any of this but it is worth noting that attendances increased in the season where we were so poorly run we had to cheat relegation.

Remember Vasty, posting on here does not make you a special fan, you are posting on an open forum to a small percentage of fans, some of who you may know.

Lots of people who don't post on here have done a hell of a lot in the past and recently to support the club but don't feel the need to play the big I am to a small set of generally level headed posters on a forum.

The fact you call me arrogant by the very tone of your opening post says significantly more about you than me. As I said however you enjoy the fact that finally Mr Carter seems to have come round to your way of thinking over the course of the last few weeks.

Being totally honest I highly doubt if Brain Smith thought either Smith or Locke remaining at the club would have had a positive effect on the squad, results or ability to remain in SL they would have been let go. I genuinely believe visa allowing in the case of Smith they would have remained with the club IF from a rugby decision they would have contributed in a positive way.

Still what would I know I'm just a fickle Wigan fan.

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Quote: Jason "Also he took on the Bank of Ireland and won. I do agree that he needs not to react to the Twitter stuff however like most of us he is sensitive to criticism and wants to address the balance.

I would like him to take the bull by the horns and insist that away fans have the West Terrace. If the odd home fan wants to occupy the same piece of concrete they've stood on down that side for the last 40 years then let them.'"


Surely it would make more sense to put away fans in the North Stand. This way the pro segregation brigade would get their wish and those of us who stand on the West Terrace for the best view of the game can stay where we are.

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Quote: jonh "No club has a right to success, good clubs well run succeed poor clubs fail.

Not sure what Wigan fans have to do with any of this but it is worth noting that attendances increased in the season where we were so poorly run we had to cheat relegation.

Remember Vasty, posting on here does not make you a special fan, you are posting on an open forum to a small percentage of fans, some of who you may know.

Lots of people who don't post on here have done a hell of a lot in the past and recently to support the club but don't feel the need to play the big I am to a small set of generally level headed posters on a forum.

The fact you call me arrogant by the very tone of your opening post says significantly more about you than me. As I said however you enjoy the fact that finally Mr Carter seems to have come round to your way of thinking over the course of the last few weeks.

Being totally honest I highly doubt if Brain Smith thought either Smith or Locke remaining at the club would have had a positive effect on the squad, results or ability to remain in SL they would have been let go. I genuinely believe visa allowing in the case of Smith they would have remained with the club IF from a rugby decision they would have contributed in a positive way.

Still what would I know I'm just a fickle Wigan fan.'"


I'll have one last crack at this and let you salvage some credibility.

Are you seriously suggesting that Mr Michael Carter of no previous RL experience arrived two years ago at BV as a ready made CEO? Because if you are you either bonkers or delude, I'll give you the benefit and say your neither of those. In which case can you furnish me with the address of the University that offers a PHD in Superleague club management - Hogwarts does not count. It must be a very specialist course considering only 12 people are employed in that roll at any one time.

Be honest he's dropped some right clangers - why would that be a surprise most normal humans would. Ted was in charge for 16 years and he was pretty poor for the first 10 years but he got their in the end or as close as he was ever going to. So for MC to have apparently "got" as much as my opening post credited him with in two seasons - I'd say I was fairly complimentary. I reckon with Smith help he'll be even better in 12 month time and Brian's successor may well be a great call. However he's not the real deal right now, because the proof is in the eating and until we get a top 8 finish or a real cup run we shouldn't break out the bunting just yet.

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I have been one of his biggest critics because i believe he has resided over one of the worst periods in our existence. I think we were very close to going out of SL however, we survived so I hope he has learnt a valuable lesson in the running of our great club. I will therefore judge him by his actions going forward both with the playing staff and the decisions he takes regarding the game experience.

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Quote: vastman "I'll have one last crack at this and let you salvage some credibility.

Are you seriously suggesting that Mr Michael Carter of no previous RL experience arrived two years ago at BV as a ready made CEO? Because if you are you either bonkers or delude, I'll give you the benefit and say your neither of those. In which case can you furnish me with the address of the University that offers a PHD in Superleague club management - Hogwarts does not count. It must be a very specialist course considering only 12 people are employed in that roll at any one time.

Be honest he's dropped some right clangers - why would that be a surprise most normal humans would. Ted was in charge for 16 years and he was pretty poor for the first 10 years but he got their in the end or as close as he was ever going to. So for MC to have apparently "got" as much as my opening post credited him with in two seasons - I'd say I was fairly complimentary. I reckon with Smith help he'll be even better in 12 month time and Brian's successor may well be a great call. However he's not the real deal right now, because the proof is in the eating and until we get a top 8 finish or a real cup run we shouldn't break out the bunting just yet.


Vasty firstly what does prior RL experience have to do with running a business? Wakefield Wildcats are a business. He has no input into the RL side that is for the coaches. He has to supply the stability, pay the wages keep the players happy from a business point of view.

The on field performance only down to him when decisions need to be made to change it from a negative point of view.

Mr Carter has done very well for himself away from rugby and that is a transferable skill. How many successful chairmen come from a hands on rugby background? Give me a Mo Lindsay in his pomp over James Elston any day.

You need to remove the perspective of Carter being a rugby man, that had absolutely nothing to do with the success he has made of the business by keeping it up and soon to be debt free.

I don't require any credibility on here thanks. This is a public forum with a few posters on, a minority of people. Some I know and have sensible good rugby conversations with in real life, some I don't. Why would I require or crave credibility?

Remove the emotional connection and appreciate Mr Carter has been a superb Chairman thus far, don't suddenly claim he is getting it right after the event of putting his credibility and reputation on the line. He has been getting a lot more right over the course of the last 2 years than he has wrong. It's not just dawned on him since the Bradford game but it seems it may have with you.

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Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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