Eh? so do you come from the school of thought that you can place 17 new players into a team and expect them to jell and play like Warrington right from the off.

You said this yourself a couple of weeks ago.

I think you mistake mediocrity for realism! There's 17 or 18 new players & a new coaching team. If you expect them to blend and be unstoppable after 4 games your in for a rude awakening! It'll take a season to hit their straps and some won't cut it, others will.

You cannot knock together a squad in professional sport and merely expect to beat all that is in your way

Time will tell i understand you are diehards and will support the team no matter what good for you we are all entitled to our opinion.

Don't think you have to be a diehard to understand where we are starting from as a team this year.

I think you are being way to negative, the weather conditions today meant that both sides played with little attacking flair, it became a game of one-man drives and trying to retain possession.

IMO your defence looked top8 standard, it just remains to be seen if your attack and your pack will be good enough to get you into the top8.

I found the game pretty hard going today and far from a great spectacle. Weather was certainly a factor but not 100% behind this. I think the performance from both teams was very mediocre, the Hull fans I drove with to the match felt the same.

I thought Ganson was absolutely abysmal. He awarded Hull every high tackle we committed yet let so many committed by Hull go unpunished. I think he only awarded us penalties twice in the match for high tackles. One when our player was sparked out and the second when the merry flag waver came onto the pitch.

Both myself and accompanying Hull fans felt a lot of forward passes were missed along with not square at play the balls. In addition there were two blatant obstructions he missed.

People will say it evens up over the match but this is one where I felt it most certainly did not.

Take nothing away from FC I felt they deserved their victory, over 80 minutes they were the better team even though we nearly nicked it.

Our improvement in the match was for me very noticeable when Kyle Wood came on. I think he probably justifies starting in the next match rather than coming off the bench.

All in all, a tough match in poor weather conditions and a heavy pitch. We need to grind out results and hopefully as the team gels that will come.

Have to agree about Ganson, he missed lots of stuff for both sides and on several occasions seemed to ignore/overrule his own touch judges who had a better view of the incidents than he did!

Well you're certainly full of something and it's not hope. What do you expect in these conditions! Even if you don't accept that argument there is a more obvious reason we are not winning - and let's be honest if we'd won you wouldn't be moaning.

The level heads on hear have been saying for month not to expect much this season - brand new coach and brand new team. Yet some continually fail to listen and expect miracles - a narrow defeat away to Hull FC IMO is a good performance if not a good result.

This season it's performance that matters. Then maybe next season we turn performances into results. Surely nobody believes you can go from last years wreckage to SL contenders that quickly, what drugs are they on.

We are doing OK but need a result to go our way, shame then we play our bogey team next week. Now there will be a true barometer of where we are.

We have tons more talent than last year and iam sure we will come good with what we have got. Last year when we lost we got truely blown away. That is not happening with this lot. Remember they have only had 4 SL games together. As summer comes our attack will come iam sure. With our halves, backs and Ali we have loads of strike. A small side like ours will always find it hard in the mud. Wait till it gets fast!

I would also add that you look far fitter than last couple of seasons, when you had the likes of Paul King looking as though they'd dined out on nothing but Kebab and fried Mars Bars all week!

I think the comment about the weather is a fair comment,plus both teams have new players added to the squad.Takes time sometimes.Dont know about the players but my fingers were feeling like they were about to drop off!.

You never saw Hickey did you, looked like he ate Kingy.

Looked like he ate Kingy and Higgins!

The only thing I can agree with the OP about is Kyle Wood; for me, he's a much more suitable partner for Smith's style of play and should be starting.

As for Ganson - less said the better; he lost the plot today.

We are still a bit off where we need to be yet and to be honest the next three fixtures are going to be tough. I think how we handle three of the top six teams will tell us where we are as a team. Last year we would have probably get a couple of towellings in those. Lets see how far we have come.