Unfortunately I have no idea what that means or who Steph is but hey ho

Let's stay on Topic please and cut out the sniping (or PM each other if you wish)

Other than the ground would you care to expand on your comment about our club being the laughing stock of rugby.

That's not much of a "bright side".
The main positive of the Hull game was the performance of our pack, who, more than competed for 80 minutes and they will need to be as good or, possibly better on Friday.
It's still difficult to see how we get a win against them but, if we can keep turning them around, as Wire did yesterday, there is a (very) faint glimmer of hope.
Mind you, I'm not sure if we have enough backs available.
We have a squad "full of full backs" but, I'm not sure who will be playing at 1 or, who will be partnering Lino.

(e) he retires behind the point where the ball was last touched by one of his own team.

Crowther charged the ball and was in front of mason

so there you go now, while your at it read the rest of the rules

Former referee Ian Smith, who until relatively recently was still working for the RFL has confirmed on twitter that the decision was wrong as he should have been deemed out of play due to not being onside at the play the ball. Apparently the video refs remit doesn’t stretch to checking offside at the play the ball so it was the on-field officials that got that wrong.

well the rules above come from the rfl and is clearly within whats in red, are you looking at Crowther being off side at the charge down or mason who was at the side of the play the ball?

I got my quotes above from your link to the RFL laws.

I'm sure they could make it more difficult to read if they tried.

He was technically [iout of play[/i rather than offside which is defined in section 11 and the difference is referred to in the notes at the bottom of the section you quoted- which means it is not reset by our player touching the ball in front of him.

I'm still not sure I fully understand 'downtown' which is also there and Kirmo was pinged for a couple of years ago.

You are mixing up 2 different rules. The bit you quoted is written for say, being in front of the kicker.

If you carry on down the page that you linked to you will find this section:

“Out of Play” as opposed to “off side” 3. Players who are out of play at a play-the-ball (Section 11), a scrum (Section 12), a kick off or drop-out (Section 8 ) a penalty kick (Section 13) or a free kick (Section 13) are not put “on side” in the manner described in para 3 above. (Seeappropriate Sections).

It's kind of ironic that you have told him to read the rest of rules whilst he's at it but didn't bother doing that yourself.

It wasn't a try, but it didn't matter in the end so I can't get too upset about it. We got lucky with the red card so it's swings and roundabouts.

Carry on further down the page. If a player is out of play then those scenarios you keep quoting are irrelevant. "Are not put “on side” in the manner described in para 3 above"

Ian Smith has apparently said that players being offside at the play the ball isn't in the video refs remit, which I wasn't aware of but it makes sense as to why the try was given. Thaler obviously missed it (mistakes happen), and the video ref couldn't rule on it.

I suggest everyone plays to the St Helens rule book, they never get pulled up for offside for any type of kick.

Mason was out of play which, as it states further down the rules from you've stated and has been put on here by Coco, supersedes the part you’ve highlighted and means he can’t be put back onside by Crowther. It should have been no try, Thaler got it wrong and for reasons best known to the rule makers the video ref is not allowed to rile on it. One in our favour for once but i’d have been livid if the boot was on the other foot.

What's the fuss ,there is a rule that says you can not throw the ball forward. Your big teams got rid of that rule a long time ago,and have won many matches .on the back of it ..The way you are going on about it, you would think Hull had scored that try in the last minute to win the game .A few years ago Leeds won a Cup S F with 2 trys one a blatant forward pass and the other a blatant knock on bet Leeds fans were not saying those trys should not have been given