We have this 'conditioner' argument every time we get beaten.
We've won loads of games in the second half this year so stamina isn't the issue. And there is only so big you can make people.....Anakin is not going to be Fifita no matter who takes him to understand the gym.

When you drop the ball through lack of skill or have to tackle a much bigger side, your energy will drain no matter what. There is a level of fitness you have to achieve of course and we should try to be our best but you can't be fit one week and unfit the next.

Disgraceful innit!

From rock bottom last year with three wins....it's shocking that within 12 months of that we're not challenging Wigan and Warrington for a place in the Grand Final...heads should be rolling at Belle Vue...it's simply not good enough!

As I am sure you know PT conditioning for Rugby League is getting the balance right between strength and stamina and imo Clawson doesn't do that. He has been here far too long and a freshening up is required if we are to progress.

Common sense - that's poor form!

Interesting.
Should we give any credit for the improvement to the fitness and conditioning staff or just beat them with a stick when we lose ?
It's been said before that we look a lot stronger/fitter when we dont give the ball up so easily.
Maybe this will be easier to fix

Any credit would be to the people smith got in when he realised how badly the squad were conditioned

Please offer a description of what you believe Clawsons week looks like and what tools he employs to do his job, in particular how he measures the balance between each discipline?

I see the evidence each week when the opposition play st a speed we can not and dominate us in the collision for the most part but if you think he isn't a problem you tell me why you are happy with the way our team are conditioned compared to pretty much every other team

Oh and just think of how many games we are out of by half time and tell me that conditioning does not play a part in that

Dont know how relevant this is as I hung up my boots up at amateur level in 2005.

I was in a gym on Saturday and one of the Wakefield players was in. Im not going to name the player, but he was on the next treadmill to me.

We both finished pretty much at same time and I was talking to him, more about fitness than anything. He said he was training alone and putting in a couple of extra hours. We then mentioned treadmill and targets etc and he said that the coaching staff doesnt really like them using the treadmill as it increases the risk of muscle tear. They go in for cross trainer and rower

How many of us have used running exercises as we are advised it builds up stamina.

Whoever told him that must have been one of them there experts - because it's absolutely correct; a treadmill puts pressure on your joints and over prolonged use, can cause injury. The cross-trainer is much smoother and works out almost your full body.

We are crying out for size pace and brute force that is all Wire Wigan Hull STS have class and skill in modern day RL dream on its not there