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I think it comes down to opinions and judgement calls. Even professional coaches call these wrong from time to time, but they're better than me at it and that is why they are paid and I pay in to watch games. If it is Moore, he serves as a decent example; my personal opinion was (and still is) he looks to have the skills and potential, and that his deficiencies can be overcome. Speaking to a coach who'd worked with him elsewhere, their view was he'd neither the physicality or toughness to make it. Either of us could be right, but I'd guess more often than not the person who does it for a living and who has seen them day in, day out in training would have the upper hand.

If it is him, it will be a shame and I hope he does well wherever he goes, but I'm not about to hang Agar out to dry for it before a game has been played.

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Dont blame RA for the shocking use of young players under the last coach. Kear basically held back players hindering there development in order to use them as pawns to get a SL licence.

By holding back players he basically ensured they would be lost to top flight rugby league.

It's a bit like blaming the current government for the financial mess the country is in now.

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Quote: jonh "Dont blame RA for the shocking use of young players under the last coach. Kear basically held back players hindering there development in order to use them as pawns to get a SL licence.

By holding back players he basically ensured they would be lost to top flight rugby league.

It's a bit like blaming the current government for the financial mess the country is in now.'"


eusa_naughty.gif don't bring politics to the sporting table as it will end up in tears

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Sorry though it was a good comparison total misuse of resources and now the current people in charge are taking all the flack for that mismanagement.

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Quote: jonh "Sorry though it was a good comparison total misuse of resources and now the current people in charge are taking all the flack for that mismanagement.'"
taking of mismanagement we shouldn't be in a position where there is a lack of rugby league talent, the sports been going for over a hundred years and yet England struggles to produce anything like a good flow of quality players

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Quote: jonh "Dont blame RA for the shocking use of young players under the last coach. Kear basically held back players hindering there development in order to use them as pawns to get a SL licence.

By holding back players he basically ensured they would be lost to top flight rugby league.

It's a bit like blaming the current government for the financial mess the country is in now.'"


So not content with constantly spouting shiit about rugby league you are now straying off into pseudo economics? icon_lol.gif LAUGHABLE

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Quote: Schunter "So not content with constantly spouting shiit about rugby league you are now straying off into pseudo economics? Point out where I am wrong on either opinion.

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Quote: snowie "taking of mismanagement we shouldn't be in a position where there is a lack of rugby league talent, the sports been going for over a hundred years and yet England struggles to produce anything like a good flow of quality players'"

Rl has been badly mismanaged but we are now again on the cusp in my opinion with the young players about to hit the Super League in the next 3 years. It seems finally we are reducing overseas players, making allowances for club products. It's a great time after perhaps 20 years of looking after individual clubs rather than the game.

super league
Lack of relegation
Reduction of the quota
Allowances on the cap for club produced players

4 changes that will in my opinion see us finally be realistically competitive with Australia within the next 5 years.

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Quote: jonh "Rl has been badly mismanaged but we are now again on the cusp in my opinion with the young players about to hit the Super League in the next 3 years. It seems finally we are reducing overseas players, making allowances for club products. It's a great time after perhaps 20 years of looking after individual clubs rather than the game.

super league
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4 changes that will in my opinion see us finally be realistically competitive with Australia within the next 5 years.'"


And let's not forget your own beloved club forming a partnership/becoming the bitch of a Union club, in what appears to be an attempt to undo lots of that good work by opening up a clear pathway for promising youngsters to get better paid jobs in the other code.

All that, so they could hold on to Tomkins S for another season or so; from the outside looking in, it's slightly pathetic.

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Quote: bren2k "And let's not forget your own beloved club forming a partnership/becoming the bitch of a Union club, in what appears to be an attempt to undo lots of that good work by opening up a clear pathway for promising youngsters to get better paid jobs in the other code.

All that, so they could hold on to Tomkins S for another season or so; from the outside looking in, it's slightly pathetic.'"


I love your ignorance. a026.gif

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Quote: jonh "I love your ignorance.
Go on then - trot out the party line, as endorsed by the Wigan polit-bureau, as to how this is a wonderful deal for the whole RL community and not in any way an example of IL getting bent over and vigorously shafted by some posh blokes at Saracens.

Meanwhile, I agree with your suggestion that young players were ill-used under Mr Kear; there has been no proper pathway to SL for our Academy products and the dual-reg system was criminally under-utilised.

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Back on topic - if its Gareth Moore I won't be very happy.
I had high hopes for him next season.

There do seem to be a fair bit of smoke where Mr Agar is concerned re: the younger players.

I am getting a tad concerned myself. icon_eek.gif

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Quote: Wildthing "Back on topic - if its Gareth Moore I won't be very happy.
I had high hopes for him next season.

There do seem to be a fair bit of smoke where Mr Agar is concerned re: the younger players.

I am getting a tad concerned myself.
If it is him then I'm not that bothered and will trust Agars judgement. Moore is not a 'young un' he has been around
long enough to break into SL and has not yet done so. Lets not forget he came through the Leeds system and they
had the same opinion of him as Agar.

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People going on about all the young players going have a point but just for one minute look at it from a slightly different point of view. Had we not been in the position we were at the beginning of the year most of these young players wouldn't even be on our radar. How many can say they knew anything about Veivers or Howarth, other than what they read in the odd academy report? Yes there are exceptions such as Johnson and Mariano, but they are few and far between. The fact is like it or not we have/had a lot of players on our books who would not have seen the first team of any super league club let alone ours had the financial situation been different. Players like Moore (if it is him) were signed for life in the championship. Who can honestly say that the players released so far would be picked ahead of any of the new signings? Also let's not forget these players from last year were signed on professional super league contracts not scholarship or academy wages. For the first time in a long time we are being run as a proper business and everybody knows that there is no room for sentiment in business. As harsh as it is somebody has to cut the chaff from the wheat. Agar may come out to be the bad guy by releasing certain players, but he has restrictions, budgets to adhere to and a boss to answer to. How many of our released (not sold) young players from the past have ever really come back to bite us?

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Quote: jack in the box "If it is him then I'm not that bothered and will trust Agars judgement. Moore is not a 'young un' he has been around
long enough to break into SL and has not yet done so. Lets not forget he came through the Leeds system and they
had the same opinion of him as Agar.'"


He's only 22 so in my book he's a young un!

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