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| Quote vastman="vastman"I do agree but not based on what I’ve seen. More on his playing history. Reserve grade Catalan is not a great advert imho, they are very short of home grown players and you’d like to think that if he were any good they would have kept him. Even Cozza has a better back history imho.
Sadly the QLD/NSW Cup is where it’s at for up and coming talent not France. I know they are non quota but the quality just isn’t there. There are also way better Championship players and certainly better fringe players at clubs like Wigan.'"
Can’t argue with that. As you say if the quality was there they would end up at Catalans most likely. It’s a shame really in a way but I suppose it’s the result of only having 1 French team in SL and the competition over there not being to the same (or close) to SL. It doesn’t appear there’s the appetite or finance to see that happen anytime soon.
Just on Cozza, he should be entering his best years soon and I’m looking forward to seeing how he goes this year in SL.
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| Batch signed for another 5 years at KR.
Still criminal he was allowed to leave.
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| Quote Trojan Horse="Trojan Horse"Batch signed for another 5 years at KR.
Still criminal he was allowed to leave.'"
Allowed?
The days of clubs being in control of who leaves and who stays disappeared way way back. Money talks. Do you think Salford will be "allowed" to keep all their star players if new investors don't emerge soon?
Might help some fans move on a bit now. He's been very visible kissing the Rovers badge for some time so an extension isn't surprising. I very much doubt that he's been sat there wanting Matt Ellis to offer him a wad to move back either.
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| Quote Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"Allowed?
The days of clubs being in control of who leaves and who stays disappeared way way back. Money talks. Do you think Salford will be "allowed" to keep all their star players if new investors don't emerge soon?
Might help some fans move on a bit now. He's been very visible kissing the Rovers badge for some time so an extension isn't surprising. I very much doubt that he's been sat there wanting Matt Ellis to offer him a wad to move back either.'"
I disagree he has been loyal to us far more than some until such time when it became inevitable that he had to leave what basically was a failing club. We allowed the majority of the better squad players to leave so why wouldn’t he look to secure his RL career at Hull KR. He showed with a better squad and a less depressing environment further improvement in his game to such an extent that he is now been awarded a 5 year extension.
He never showed any indication that he wanted to return to us so I doubt he was waiting for Matt Ellis to step in.
If a player chooses to kiss his badge so what they are paying his wages, I am sure we have seen others doing it in a Wakefield shirt.
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| It's a job. He had better prospects at Rovers. He made the right decision.
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| Quote Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"Allowed?
The days of clubs being in control of who leaves and who stays disappeared way way back. Money talks. Do you think Salford will be "allowed" to keep all their star players if new investors don't emerge soon?
Might help some fans move on a bit now. He's been very visible kissing the Rovers badge for some time so an extension isn't surprising. I very much doubt that he's been sat there wanting Matt Ellis to offer him a wad to move back either.'"
Mrs EW and our daughter have rubbed this in a bit tonight. I can't deny it, I'm disappointed about this. Out of all the players "allowed to leave", as it was put, this is the one, I would have loved reversing, if I'm honest, more so than TJ.
I do get where Trojan is coming from, given, that as a club, who our CEO wasn't shy of stating we were spending well under the cap, which I dont deny, was happy to waste money on such Proctor, Gaskell and Lineham, but yet let him go so easily.
As for going for the money, we need to remember, we are all working under the same cap, so there probably won't be massive increases if a player goes from one club to another.
A certain CEO of another club said to me during my time at Wakefield, that there isnt usually much leeway in terms of salary increases when a player moves on, and is more about how the club is sold to the player.
We now need to move on, and support the players we have, and hopefully keep the better ones
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| Quote Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"Allowed?
The days of clubs being in control of who leaves and who stays disappeared way way back. Money talks. Do you think Salford will be "allowed" to keep all their star players if new investors don't emerge soon?
Might help some fans move on a bit now. He's been very visible kissing the Rovers badge for some time so an extension isn't surprising. I very much doubt that he's been sat there wanting Matt Ellis to offer him a wad to move back either.'"
Nobody said he has beem waiting for Trinity to offer a deal other than you in your post. Nowhere I have seen has it been evident that fans are unable to move on from a player loss 2 years ago, I feel your confusing making a comment on a past event/player loss for more than it actually is. Discussing the loss of a past player shouldn’t automatically bring out the “fans need to move on” statement.
Batch was allowed to leave by the previous regime because they weren’t willing to offer the amount to retain his services. Clubs can influence their control of a players services with a number of factors. That’s just business.
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| But that implies it was in our control.
He may have just wanted to go to a club on the up and have the same prospects as his brother.
Our trajectory was only down at that time.
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| Quote PopTart="PopTart"But that implies it was in our control.
He may have just wanted to go to a club on the up and have the same prospects as his brother.
Our trajectory was only down at that time.'"
Our trajectory was down but I’m sure of if I recall it was regularly commented on at the time Trinity weren’t willing to offer what he wanted to stay and then he ended up going to kr. That is what I meant by him being allowed to leave by the clubs choice not to pay (probably what he was worth).
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| Quote Trojan Horse="Trojan Horse"Batch signed for another 5 years at KR.
Still criminal he was allowed to leave.'"
Batch bought a house in Hull 6 month before it was announced he was leaving .Think we have a few young second row players who can do as good a job if not better .
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| Batch has played at Wembley and Old Trafford for HKR in his 2 years since he moved, he moved for better prospects, a more stable environment and bigger opportunities - has has received all of that in his first 24 months, plus he is part of the leadership group. We are a different beast now to what we were in 2022 and beyond, I'm really happy for Batch and wish him well. There's no need for resentment and bitterness about the past, time to move on and enjoy what Trinity are in 2025+
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| Quote Eastern Wildcat="Eastern Wildcat"Mrs EW and our daughter have rubbed this in a bit tonight. I can't deny it, I'm disappointed about this. Out of all the players "allowed to leave", as it was put, this is the one, I would have loved reversing, if I'm honest, more so than TJ.
I do get where Trojan is coming from, given, that as a club, who our CEO wasn't shy of stating we were spending well under the cap, which I dont deny, was happy to waste money on such Proctor, Gaskell and Lineham, but yet let him go so easily.
As for going for the money, we need to remember, we are all working under the same cap, so there probably won't be massive increases if a player goes from one club to another.
A certain CEO of another club said to me during my time at Wakefield, that there isnt usually much leeway in terms of salary increases when a player moves on, and is more about how the club is sold to the player.
We now need to move on, and support the players we have, and hopefully keep the better ones'"
Agree about wasting money on those 3 players One of the main reasons why we went down But as you say move on
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