Do you know what? Had the club taken the appropriate measures to deal with the root cause and failed, and then decided upon segregation then I'd feel a lot better about things. Instead they have been too quick to decide what is best, and in doing so taken away the best standing area in the ground to people who have been supporters for decades without consultation. The west terrace has the best access to the flats, so that's going to be a negative for the club. It's the hardest place for visiting fans to access, which shows a lack of respect for them.

Had there been a genuine consultation, and they had taken the necessary steps to deal with root cause then yes I'd have taken it firmly on the chin. The new shed down near the flats was empty on Monday, another fine investment by the club there - I'm sure the atmosphere would have been enhanced when we were attacking in the second half, perhaps it may have lifted the team somewhat. Plenty of people like to change ends at half time, plenty of people can no longer do that on the west.

As for showing a lack of respect to a club official, in my view all he's done is come on here AFTER the event, instead of being a proper manager and implementing a plan to tackle root cause, and failing that do a proper job of implementation not a half baked amateur job. Are you saying that's an incorrect interpretation?

So it seems we did not get the info before the game and thats unfortunate but the club have offered an apology for this oversight.

Davide as agreed to sort out the ladies toilet access, so that sorted.

Just the issuse of the West terrace and its regulars, i'm betting that now they understand the clubs reasoning and if they accept last weeks shambles was just unfortunate they will see it will benefit the club in the long term.

My main concern now is "flash points" outside the North turnstyles when other teams fans are heading back to the Donny road area form the west side turnstyles.
We had to walk through the FC fans on sunday and while it was not a problem maybe it will be when others come to town.

Have to admit my viewing experience has diminished from watching the game from the NT rather than the WT, however, it’s not anywhere near significant enough to making me chose not to go to games. To be frank it seems a tad precious, notwithstanding any accessibility/visibility issues, and cutting your nose off to spite your face. I go to BV to watch Trinity play, not to stand in a spot I’ve occupied 13 times a year for the last decade or so.

Hopefully, in two years’ time this will all be immaterial anyway, as I imagine there will definitely be segregation at NM and it will be a new experience for all of us to get used to standing/sitting in the same spot for the next 30-50 years.

You missed off the bit about the club not tacking root cause.

You seem very confident that there has been no root cause analysis; how do you know that?

For me, the implementation of segregation, even in the relatively gentle way that it's been done at BV, suggests that there has; one of the primary root causes of flashpoint in a crowd is the likelihood of home and away fans to be intermingled - that's why football and other RL grounds have been segregated for so long.

Sums it it for me, moved from west the north this season and although i enjoy the northstand would rather get my hold spot back, its not to be so i'll live with it.

what happens when home fans come to a game with away fans. ie my niece and partner along with my 3 year old godson are Bulls fans, where do we all stand together ? Also Mrs poching will be coming with her sons in Warrington shirts but want to stand with all their Wakey friends , what do they do ?
I can see why the club have felt the need to do what they are doing but as many have said its our trouble causers that need dealing with

I've not seen any CCTV cameras installed have you?

I've not seen stewards actually challenging any idiots have you?

I've not seen a list of banned people and their mugshots in the Wakefield Express or outside the ground have you?

I've seen a lot of new outlets flogging booze open over the last few years, haven't you?

I know a young lad got thrown out a few seasons back for throwing fudge which inadvertently hit one of the stewards.

I will say though violetrwb, I have no problem with you making your case with this. It's good that you are not resorting to personal comments with the people who are discussing or disagreeing with you as some do.
Possibly with the exception of comments about Davide. Personally, I'd have kept that between you two, but that's done now so we'll leave it there.

Poptart - I've not seen a list of banned people and their mugshots in the Wakefield Express or outside the ground have you? - but that would only be the case if they weer looking for people they didn't know. I know for certain there have been people banned from Belle Vue

Well this is good to know, but the same issue applies here as does to identifying whether people are home or away supporters if they are not wearing colours; how do you keep banned people out without vetting them before they reach the turnstiles?

Fair point. I can't really see how they can keep them out unless people inside the ground shop them

I suppose the obvious answer is all ticket matches.

Charming !!!................i would like to think i'm quite the opposite to obnoxious, but as you seem to know me so well everyone will have to accept your judgement !.

i presume by that little outburts your one of them i mentioned !!