OK, the point that it has absolutely no relevance to the issue is obviously beyond your understanding but nevertheless. . .

At this moment in time Wakefield Trinity still own Belle Vue, they have received a significant down payment from a developer who wishes to buy the stadium when Wakefield vacate it but until the transaction is complete ownership of the ground remains with the club.

It is also my understanding that the club owns a number of houses in and around the Wakefield district although I don't know the specifics of this.

As for any other assets there may be some there may not!

Widnes, like Halifax/Doncaster/Oldham etc, went to the brink not because of franchising, but owners overspending to try get into Super League - they did that with P&R and without it. Franchising is a smokescreen for sports clubs not being able to live within their means.

Here you go again, beyiond my understanding...... what a EDIT TRB you really are

If the polecat stadium is still owned by the club, why do you have to move out after this year?

As for Cas being fractionally ahead, well you are suffering from delusions of grandeur pal
The Outline Planning Permission is no longer in force; it is suspended due to it being called in. Yorkcourt or anyone else cannot even turn a grass sod on the area in question, Unlike the Outline Planning Permission given to Cas, work has been done the area in question, where work has been done on the plateau. Full Planning permission application will be going by the end on next week at the latest (I was told that personally by a councillor last night) So on the ground issue Cas are quite a bit in front of the polecats in that instance.

As for your plan B, A lot of you seem to be in the opinion that you are moving to Oakwell, Have the club actually talked to the Barnsley Council about this move, or even the tenants Barnsley FC, because if you talk to their fans, the majority don’t even know about this? If you do play out of Oakwell, have you got any ideas of what it will cost in rent? How many of your fans will travel to Barnsley given that your numbers have fallen significantly at BV ?

Oh forgot, you do own a blow up polecat

Answer is simple, nowt!
Question to you, what do we need to own?
It seems to me 1/2 of SL clubs own nowt!
We are missing at this moment one thing, permission. This is gettable, but it does seem unlikely that we will get it in time. Everything else is in place.
Cas however don't as yet have full PP, however they are confident it will come this week, we shall see. Then there's the money, part of which is reliant on the saleable value of W Road. Big question mark, I think/ hope they have other income to replace that lost by land depreciation. Again time will tell, bit I don't see it much either way still, although we have deffo took a step back.
Is it beyond the realms of fantasy that SoS could give the go ahead for NM sooner than we expect given assurances from YK and WTW or is it deffo gonna be about a year?

Speedy how many Barnsley fans have you spoken too other than the few that have posted on their forum? If the club told everyone about everything there wouldn't be enough time and the fact that this has been mentioned on the board a few times just shows peoples selective memories.

That is Fantasy. The decision has been made to go for a PI nothing will reverse that (Possilbly unless the application is withwrawn).

The "average" timescale is 56 weeks and it could take up to 74 weeks

Its like trying to hammer a nail in a knot trying to explain anything to you keep up rodney you plonker

Seems Speedys attempt at creating some anti Wakey/RL feeling amongst Barnsley FC fans has back fired. barnsleyfc.org.uk/bbs/forums/for ... .asp?fid=1 Feeling on the BFC forum seems to be positive to the prospect!

Seems Speedys attempt at creating some anti Wakey/RL feeling amongst Barnsley FC fans has back fired. barnsleyfc.org.uk/bbs/forums/for ... .asp?fid=1 Feeling on the BFC forum seems to be positive to the prospect!

Speedy should worry about his own teams hurdles they have to overcome instead of gloating on here. We know things arent great, but some people are going to take positives and look on the bright side of things. People are going to look for hope where they can find it. Anyway isnt it Speedy who gets upset when supporters of other clubs go on ths cas site?

Some points that i think have been missed are as followsthe whole GH at this point in time. However stadiums can be built and therefore be paid for in stages. The minimum criteria was a 10,000 capacity which is all under cover with seats. The proposed GH stadium is 13,000 meaning that three stands could be built with out the forth being complete until funds are available. This is roughly 3/4 of the cost which is circa £9m. £5m from the ground (the contract signed was for £6.9m and was undervalued in the eyes of many at the time - land has fallen roughly 40-30% meaning £5m is not to bad estimate) £2m from the council £1m already put in from Waystone re initial development of the plateau and then £1m from naming rights. This does not sound to far fetched to me.

The NM proposal was to be financed by the sale of the units i believe i.e. the developer would incur the cost of the stadium from profits generated from the remainder of the development. Question is where would the £20m come from.

Yorkcourt certainly don’t have those funds knocking around spare. Answer - from deposits prehaps for the warehousing? Question back is - will those deposits actually cover £20m. If not then from the sale of units? Would you pay £xm upfront for a warehouse that is yet to be built and which you know full well know is actually going to fund a stadium to begin with. I would not given there is adequate warehousing already empty in the area.

This means Yorkcourt would have to fund it from bank loans - i think you would agree not the easiest thing to do currently.

Given the above one may argue that funding issues would exist over the current plans.

I do not intend to gloat or anything like that but as you will see from the above these are serious comments

Part of the licensing Criteria is to show that you have a operational capacity of 10,000 + a minimum of a 10 year lease with the stadia if rented.

....and how do you know that castleford cant find funding at this moment in time.
Are you privy to the tigers finances. Or are you just hoping and praying they cant.

Mark my words ALL funding is in place.

Exactly the Same way Fax and Widnes have. I hope you survive, However i am some of you know what it feels like with the shoe on the other foot !!!

Good post and in some respects your figures look ok, but the land value makes no difference because I suspect you will not and never own the land at GH... you will have a long term lease deal on the land... exactly like the community trust on the Newmarket stadium BTW.

Also, your view on Yorkcourt (same goes for Waystone BTW), developments of this size and how they are funded lacks knowledge (I am not having a go for not knowing BTW... unless you work in this field, most people don't understand the business model) of how they are funded and ultimate make money and profit. These guys are it for the reasonably long term and are looking to make a return for their investors over maybe 25+ years and the whole site itself would take at least 5 years to fill and more likely 10 years. They don't borrow money but gain investment for the development from banks, insurance and most importantly pension funds. So while it might cost them (well, actually their investment partners) money to build the stadium in the short term the long term value of the land, which they will retain ownership of, and the wider development will start to deliver profit as it is developed. With interest rates very low, if you are a pension fund and looking for a low risk investment to tie money up for 25 years plus with an almost guaranteed better return than giving it to a bank, then this type of investment is a great deal!