You don't have to post it on two threads, for what it's worth, we'll beat Hull on Sunday, then you can start another moan.

You have 2 of the best wingers in the competition (possibly 3) but you need to get the ball to them. Play to your strengths.

If we hang in the game early on like we did at Leeds we will give ourselfs every chance of beating hull.Cut out a few more errors and we will be in the game .
Don’t know about hulls goal line defence as saints seemed to breach it easily enough on the highlights . We came up against a desperate team in Leeds and should have come away with the spoils, hull arnt that desperate so should go in our favour , and hope all players come through unscathed.

I never understand why we don't

I just cant see a win the way we are playing!

surely leeds will lose to widnes ha ah ha and it won't matter

Go on then I will chomp please explain in your glass half empty manner.

A lot of people criticise Finn for his defence however I don't see anyone mention how Hampshire was constantly bumped off tackles at Leeds on Friday, especially in the first half. It is very rare to find a half back who is strong in defence.

Maybe when people debate which half back we play we should also focus on their strengths, because going on Friday's performance, defensively there was little to choose between the two of them.

Do you mean the two wingers who are both high in the top 10 try scorer list?

He's got a point though PT! rarely do our wingers score a try from an overlap situation.
Our wingers have to scrap for their tries, unlike others at Saints etc where a lot of the tries are 'walk ins' for the winger!

that could be even higher if not top the list

At least he was close enough to try and make a tackle. I think that's the point with Finn even before we start discussing last tackle kicks.

This idea of simply passing a ball to the wingers is silly, they would get tackled into touch all the time. RL is a game about territory and possession, to win games a team needs to dominate these two factors. Winning sides look after possession, they play risk free when coming out of defense, they get to the 6th tackle, they kick well, they hand over possession as near to opponents try line as possible. They should only`' play'' when in the final third of the field near to opponents try line. Gallant losers throw the ball sideways without first getting on the front foot and in their own half, are roundly applauded for having a go and end up losing games. Keep it simple, no mistakes, high completion, dominate field position, good kick chase to the corners, repeatedly hard straight running around the ruck, that is how to play consistent winning RL. It really is a simple game, that said you need to be the toughest, hardest, determined, durable athletes in the world to play it.