No what has been laughable is some of the teams performances and the fact you don't think there is anything wrong with the conditioning when it's plain to see we play at a pace far slower than pretty much every other team in SL and can't get off the defensive line half the time

If you want to kid yourself that injuries were the only reason for not being competitive thats your prerogative but I think you will find attitude and fitness have been reasons in a number of games

There's no doubt we need a new conditioner, especially if we want to keep improving as a team & have said so on various occasions, that Clawson's had his time with us & t's time to get someone better.

Saying that there is a lot of truth imo in what upthecats said. We simply don't have the squad depth, especially to keep up with the rest of the Top 8 when we've had substantial injuries. There's no getting away from it.

Generally games have gone in the S8's the same way; we get dominated in the forwards from the start, that means we're on the back foot, tackling far more than the opposition, which knackers the team out more than a closely matched team would. That leads to the halfbacks having no platform, which makes them look poor, as well as the rest of the backs. Then the opposition get a lead and heads go down. The last 2 games have shown even though we lost, that when some players returned, we competed well and if we'd have had Moore on the pitch, with his extra craft and skill out of acting halfback, we'd have probably won both imo.

Obviously there's a bit more to it than just injuries, that's caused the drop off in standard in some of the games, especially since the Super 8's started. Such as not much to play for, especially when your playing against teams that do, that leads to that say 5% drop off in intensity and leads to blow outs. Also a sense of a bit of an attitude of job done by some of the players, mostly senior ones at that.

There's probably no one that's been more disappointed as me at some of our efforts lately. But like he hints at, when you hear some people around here, it's like we've had a poor season and we'll be defo back in the MPG next season. It's crazy talk.

I think the effort it took when Chester came in to get us to where we were are. Where we didn't have to worry about the MPG, plus also getting to the Semi of the CC, probably took more out of the players than we realise.

We have this 'conditioner' argument every time we get beaten.
We've won loads of games in the second half this year so stamina isn't the issue. And there is only so big you can make people.....Anakin is not going to be Fifita no matter who takes him to understand the gym.

When you drop the ball through lack of skill or have to tackle a much bigger side, your energy will drain no matter what. There is a level of fitness you have to achieve of course and we should try to be our best but you can't be fit one week and unfit the next.

Disgraceful innit!

From rock bottom last year with three wins....it's shocking that within 12 months of that we're not challenging Wigan and Warrington for a place in the Grand Final...heads should be rolling at Belle Vue...it's simply not good enough!

As I am sure you know PT conditioning for Rugby League is getting the balance right between strength and stamina and imo Clawson doesn't do that. He has been here far too long and a freshening up is required if we are to progress.

Common sense - that's poor form!

Interesting.
Should we give any credit for the improvement to the fitness and conditioning staff or just beat them with a stick when we lose ?
It's been said before that we look a lot stronger/fitter when we dont give the ball up so easily.
Maybe this will be easier to fix

Please offer a description of what you believe Clawsons week looks like and what tools he employs to do his job, in particular how he measures the balance between each discipline?

I see the evidence each week when the opposition play st a speed we can not and dominate us in the collision for the most part but if you think he isn't a problem you tell me why you are happy with the way our team are conditioned compared to pretty much every other team

Oh and just think of how many games we are out of by half time and tell me that conditioning does not play a part in that

Dont know how relevant this is as I hung up my boots up at amateur level in 2005.

I was in a gym on Saturday and one of the Wakefield players was in. Im not going to name the player, but he was on the next treadmill to me.

We both finished pretty much at same time and I was talking to him, more about fitness than anything. He said he was training alone and putting in a couple of extra hours. We then mentioned treadmill and targets etc and he said that the coaching staff doesnt really like them using the treadmill as it increases the risk of muscle tear. They go in for cross trainer and rower

How many of us have used running exercises as we are advised it builds up stamina.

Whoever told him that must have been one of them there experts - because it's absolutely correct; a treadmill puts pressure on your joints and over prolonged use, can cause injury. The cross-trainer is much smoother and works out almost your full body.

We are crying out for size pace and brute force that is all Wire Wigan Hull STS have class and skill in modern day RL dream on its not there

Thanks for that, I had no reason to doubt him, it was just with the comments on here questioning our conditioners.

Last night however, I did reduce my workout on the treadmill as a trial, by 25%, and used the rower for longer