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| I think that is more a reflection of where Wigan attack rather than where we are weak.
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| Quote: FickleFingerOfFate "The art of the centre giving his winger some protection when the high ball comes over has disappeared. The winger can't do it all himself from a standing jump against a player on the run. His team mates need to give him some protection.'"
^^ This ^^
I don't think it's disappeared though, other teams do it. I can't remember us ever doing it though.
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| Quote: PopTart "I think that is more a reflection of where Wigan attack rather than where we are weak.'"
Im just saying its not necessarily the centres such as L Smith and Lyne who arent as defensively strong.
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| We do tend play a very compressed defence which in turn leaves the extremes vulnerable, so I tend not to be too criticle of the wingers.
Although I think we could slide a lot better than we do.
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| Quote: Trojan Horse "If someone like Kaye is ready to step up why not.
I like Ben, he has come and knuckled down. We were good for him. He is good for us.
He has limitations as mentioned but adds alot going forward. If the offer is a serious one then it should be considered but only if we can secure as good a replacement.
Guess its watch this space. If be happy to see him stay. If he goes I'd also be ok with it if we had a wingman in our sights/secured who was of good quality.'" Agree 100% with you I think players last year didn't give him respect so he was scoring tries. players have become wise to Charlie and giving him no space.
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| People may disagree but sometimes bad defence is a lack of communication whether it be from Fullback or the wingers and centres telling people to drag across.
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| Quote: FickleFingerOfFate "The art of the centre giving his winger some protection when the high ball comes over has disappeared. The winger can't do it all himself from a standing jump against a player on the run. His team mates need to give him some protection.'"
As well as putting pressure on the kicker which we seem to completely disregard at times
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| Quote: FickleFingerOfFate "The art of the centre giving his winger some protection when the high ball comes over has disappeared. The winger can't do it all himself from a standing jump against a player on the run. His team mates need to give him some protection.'"
Plenty of teams do it - Leeds, Wigan & Wire to name a few, have runners protecting the catcher, often flirting with illegality; it's one of the small, game-management skills that we don't do very well.
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| Would be sad to see him go. Agree with all the positive comments above. His spirit is part of the better things about our current side
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| Quote: sandaltrinityfan "We have 2 wingers who may not be the best but they give their all. Leave them alone I say they are not the reason we have lost matches we should have won!'"
So you have already forgotten The Rhinos 2 tries at Headingley where Fox shot out of the line and over-ran Moon who scored unopposed, or Fox dropping the high bomb for Leeds to score, or Cockayne not even challenging for the ball when Leeds scored in the first half.
Or last game Cockayne shooting the ball to Poore who knocked on and Leeds scored off the resulting set.
None of these contributed to us losing when we should have won?
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| Wingers, or anyone, not trusting their inside defenders is a pet hate of mine. Fox does shoot in far too readily often leaving his opposite number a free run in.
I don't know if he doesn't trust his inside man or doesn't trust himself to make a 1-on-1.
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| hiya guys I know this is very random, but im a kr fan and my dad was born in wakefield, he helped build bell vue in the 60s, but I was wondering I have a half brother who lives in wakey and I have lost his number his name is paul hughes and married to a lady called Jayne, she worked at empire store. if anyone knows him would you ask him to call me asap. due to the fact my dad passed away yesterday and think it would be fair to let him know hope someone can help, I don't remember his address just he lived not to far away from the asda thank u guys
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| Quote: metallicat "So you have already forgotten The Rhinos 2 tries at Headingley where Fox shot out of the line and over-ran Moon who scored unopposed, or Fox dropping the high bomb for Leeds to score, or Cockayne not even challenging for the ball when Leeds scored in the first half.
Or last game Cockayne shooting the ball to Poore who knocked on and Leeds scored off the resulting set.
None of these contributed to us losing when we should have won?'"
No I haven't forgotten those errors. I don't say they don't make errors, which player doesn't? I was trying to make the point that out wingers generally speaking are NOT the reason we lost all the games we should have won. You target only Fox and Cockayne - were they the only two who made errors in those games? I think not.
How many games would we have won had not Fox and Cockayne made as many yards upfield for us in EVERY game we play !
All I'm saying is let's have a long look at out defensive strategy before we point the finger at our wingers, often facing a huge overlap and then saying to them 'your fault we lost why didn't you tackle all three of 'em'
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| Quote: rebelrobin "hiya guys I know this is very random, but im a kr fan and my dad was born in wakefield, he helped build bell vue in the 60s, but I was wondering I have a half brother who lives in wakey and I have lost his number his name is paul hughes and married to a lady called Jayne, she worked at empire store. if anyone knows him would you ask him to call me asap. due to the fact my dad passed away yesterday and think it would be fair to let him know hope someone can help, I don't remember his address just he lived not to far away from the asda thank u guys'"
Post a stand alone topic mate, I'm sure that admin won't mind in this instance.
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| This is a sign of what happens when a team start rumours about signing a player.
We should be more than happy to keep our team together and certainly keep a player who has been nip and tuck as our top scorer and certainly our top metre gainer.
Now we are picking his faults and deciding whether he is good enough.
The very fact that Hull KR want him back is a sign of his value. There are obviously better wingers in the league, but not that many, and the ones that are are imho out of our league, so let's keep him and work on defensive structures rather than get rid of one of our best just because he has a dip in form or misses some tackles when he has more than one player to take.
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