Leeds or not it was still 32 points against in 40 minutes and that is not good enough old lad I did not expect a win I do not expect a rout either in the 2nd half

The bench had that Agar look about it

Is Ellis injured if not I would be asking for a transfer if I was him

Agar out

Salford have got a decent side so I wouldn't be going in confident of a victory, will be a tough game.

Whats an Agar bench then?

And who would you if the coach would you have played Ellis for last night?

You want the coach out you have shown your hand and made it clear now justify what you would have done differently against the World Club Champions?

Every side is decent at this level - but we know where our best opportunities lie, and this is one of them. No pushovers like the old days - except us - maybe!

For startes I wouldn't put a halfback on the bench he either plays or he doesn't, Ellis should have been on that bench. As for Mellars I would rather have seen Mariano or Trout take that spot.

You are right TRB we are the easybeats of SL at present. Salford have some very good players, Pattern, Holdsworth, Moon, Smith etc are much better than anyone we have. Guess what, Holdworths kicking game will win the game for them unless we improve. I will be at the game and I want to see that the coaching staff have learnt some lessons from the games so far this season. RL has managed to portray the mith that the game is complicated and that its hard to be a coach, Rubbish. the game is very very simple ( and thats its great selling point ) and coaching the game is easy ( managing a group of young men and their egos is not easy, and the modern player on the whole acts like a spoilt kid, the job is made harder when you add agents into the mix ).
The lessons that should have been learnt by the coaching staff to date are :-
The combined rugby brain power of the team is so low and their understanding of the game so weak that we have to simplify the game plan. Play the same tactics as we did at Hull in the bad weather. We do not have the skills to play an expansive game so as a result we are gifting the ball in our own half to often.
The players need to understand why they are giving so many pens away, so we need a session with the refs boss
The players need to know that when we get a penalty the rules allow you to kick at goal and get two easy points. They should ignore the score board and try not to think to hard, just take the points.
We are letting in 30+ points each game, we will never win another match if this continues. Three things to do to solve this : 1.) tackle round the legs ( we are getting knocked off tackles because we are all going high ) 2.) Select the team with the best tacklers in it, this means that Washbrook goes to second row, Aiton to 13, Ellis and Wildie at 9, This gives you 150 + tackles per match. 3.) we have known from game one that we look very weak defending the attacking kick to the wings, our and wingers have had a mare. Practice , practice, practice required. Also remember against Hull KR they played their 6 ( was it Hall ) at stand off in attack but put him on the wing in defence. Lets look at soom options.
Our attack is weak but it is simple to put right, we need our dummy halfs to pick up and go more often, we are simply not asking any questions of the defence around the ruck and as a result the line speed of the defenders is very quick which in turn means that our forwards are finding it hard to make yards and put the team on the front foot. Again very simple to put right, get Ellis and Wildie to watch Roby, Clarke, Hodgson, Lestrange, Diskin, Henderson infact any other SL teams hooker.
I can watch a losing team ( have done for the last 40 years ) as long as I know that they have given 100% . Happy to clap them off at Hull etc. The players did not give 100% at London or against Cas, they felt sorry for themselves etc etc. We need to get some mental toughness into them, no matter how well they did last night ( was not there ) 32 points against in the second half is schoolboy stuff. They need to get a grip, toughen up, will a group bollocking help because it seems that the arm round the shoulder is not working.

I didnt realise you were get em on side ref as well



Hindsight is wonderful didnt see much moaning when the sqaud was announced. people have called for changes they have been made we still havent won a game whoever plays we cannot make the yards and keep the field position other team are too big for us, my point is we need to play our 6 out and cut out the stupid penalties, this was a massive frustration for me under Kear the number of silly penalties, I was hoping we would rid that from our game but so far I dont think we have we are always on the back foot.

Don't get me wrong i know this won't be easy but its one we have to win. Yes salford are a decent side but then again on paper so are we and on our own patch we have to turn them over. We need to be beating the teams around us, the gelling excuse just doesn't wash anymore. But like you i'm not confident that we can put together an 80 minute performance to get a victory. But we have to find it from somewhere otherwise this season could turn out to be a disaster because we've some real tough games to come yet.

Listen !! Its no coincidence that us and Widnes are struggling (2 brand new teams) 10/11 competitive games is no where near enough time to sort the best starting 13 out. As much as I don't like Agar and would prefer a top Aussie coach, we have to give the guy plenty of slack. This team is still in the experimenting stage and will be all season, Agar needs to sort out which players are going to FIT in the team. His next moves are to get rid of players that don't fit, and sign players that do. Then, if we are not regularly beating teams around us and hitting the top 8 that is when Agar out chants need to start.

By the way Leeds beat Manly 26-12, a bit of perspective.

It's not the fact that Salford are a poor side, it's the fact that Salford is the sort of side we should be aiming to compete against. If we can't beat Salford at home, then we can't beat anyone, because there is only really Widnes left who are poorer than us. You could say London or Cas, but as they both battered us in the last two weeks, that comparison is lost.

So did Glover spend all the extra money on new players and coaching staff to be the second worst team in the league? I doubt it. We managed that level last year on a shoestring. If we look at the games we have played against teams who are we hope to be, competing for 8th spot, like Bradford, Hull KR and Cas, and teams who aren't that good, like London, we have lost to all of them. So that is where I would put us, as the second worst team in the league.

Think you are not giving Cas, Salford, London and Widnes enough respect. Cas Salford and London are much better sides than us, we only just managed to beat Widnes with the help of a 12 -0 penalty count in the second half and them getting a player sent to the sin bin. London and Cas stuffed us. The widnes game was great because it was two evenly matched sides. Lets get real its between us and Widnes for the wooden spoon, no disgrace in that as long as the lads give their all.