watching Wigan in the last 30 minutes was not unlike watching Wakefield turning the ball over time and time again in their own half they got what they deserved
Wigan bottled it last night on the big occasion just like they did in the CC V Leeds

It will be a Sts Leeds final and Leeds will be too good for Sts yet again

For all the flair he's undoubtedly got he's still a cheating, snidey little (insert expletive of choice here). It wouldn't be the first time he's feigned injury, only this time he's done it to save himself being sent off instead of to get someone else sent off. Two of the worst cheats wearing 6 on display yesterday!

I thought the same thing myself; odds on he was up and about by the time the stretcher reached the dressing room and laughing about his blatant cheating with the rest of the team by the time they got there. Monsieur Alibert once again totally overawed by a big occasion and ruthlessly exploited by cynical tactics.

The fact that McLennan was involved in the deceit by claiming a foul on McGuire just rubs salt in the wound; very Alex Ferguson-esque and further evidence of the footballisation of rugby league.

I lost count of how many times the commentary team said it was a great advert for rugby league - Leeds are NOT a great advert for rugby league, they're at the forefront of what's going wrong with it.

But he didn't make an accusation did he.

He said he had asked the match commisioner to review the tape and check if anything went on afterwards. He said something happened, but he didn't say what.

I lost count of the number of times Eddie mentioned Deacon going off!!!

McGuire will do anything to win a game, I wish we had a few players that played with that passion. He took a gamble, if Richards had kicked the penalty, his blatant foul would have cost Leeds the game. I thought Donald was committed to his challenge on Richards, it was a bit harsh bringing the penalty forwards. But, Alibert looked clueless, and appeared to getting guidance from Bentham.

Yes, McGuire is a cheat, but, so is Tompkins, but McGuire is a halfback, Tompkins ain’t no fullback. The lads got great feet & pace to burn, however, he looked decidedly dodgy as a last line of defence & he’s very greedy.

Warrington showed how to do a job on Leeds, batter them in the forwards, Wigan went for pace out wide, and were left wanting.

Why would he face the disciplinary???? You can think what you want mate but the laws of the game don't agree with you, maybe you should take a look at them at some point?

McGuire's was a very professional foul made of out of desperation, exasperation, desire and passion to win, nothing more or nothing less. Do you honestly think that half the Wigan or Leeds or for that matter any teams players (yes, Wakefield as well) would not have pulled the same trick in the same situation then you are kidding yourself! I would bet my house on Sam Tomkins doing exactly the same thing in exactly the same situation.

McGuire should have seen yellow, irrespective of only 5 seconds on the clock and him been injured, but he didn't. In the end Uncle Albert & Bentham did actual penalise McGuire choosing instead to penalise Donald for the a supposed late challenge on Richards (which most people agree it wasn't, Donald was committed) and therefore give Richards and extra 20m gain from the location of the McGuire foul.




To be fair in the modern context of the game and these blokes now making a living from playing then some of this type is always going to go on but as a game it is just occasional incidents and many players are prone to a spot of pretending to be taken out, throwing themselves on the floor in the tackle etc. McGuire is no different to a whole host of half-backs, now and in the past... Alex Murphy, Sean Edwards, Andy Gregory... and the list goes on... oh and Sam Tomkins now deserves a special mention, great player, got two penalties from nothing!

Kevin Henderson did something similar in the 'Judgement Day' game when BJ broke away and scored a 70m try. We were caught, the try was disallowed. Typical Wakey luck versus typical Whinos!

I think I remember that! Yes, rotten luck, it is rubbish when cheating gets in the way of a good try!





I seem to remember Mal Maninga doing something similar in an Aus v GB in the 90's and getting away with it and preventing a potential try... it is even worse when the Aussies cheat and get away with it!

In respect of the McGuire incident, I don't think Wigan had the try sealed by a long way and my gut tells me that if Carmont had been able to get up to Richards in time to take the inside pass (not sure if he would, 50/50 for me), which Richards had to give (Donald had him and he knew it, that is why kicked) then I don't think Carmont would have got away from McGuire anyway and cover, including Ryan Hall, were coming across. McGuire knew that the worst that could happen was a penalty 60m out and him ending up with a yellow card, but with seconds left on the clock it made no difference. He made the call and held Carmont back and got injured in the process (we think, but still rumours abound that maybe Riddell did something after the event!!!) , that is professional sport for you!

I disagree; Richards looked for the inside pass, saw Carmont get taken out, pointed at the incident and screamed at the ref, THEN kicked it. Therefore, he kicked because his option for the inside pass had been removed by McGuire's cheating.

He did look inside for Carmont and the inside pass but when did he have time to point and scream at the ref... are you dreaming this now? McGuire did take Carmont out and he was clearly the only option Richards had, other than a kick, because Donald most probably had him and he knew it. I agree McGuire totally removed that option! That is what I had said isn't it? I then made comment that the Carmont option was by no way a nailed on and had it gone to Carmont I still don't think he would have got away from McGuire and cover, with Hall coming across in particular.

Did you read my post????

Afraid you should look at it again because Bren2k is totally correct and also to put your Hall cover to bed, steaming up on the shoulder of Carmont was Sam Tomkins (unless he would have been taken out as well).
I don't really give a toss but it would be lovely to see it happen again at Headingley in a couple of weeks only the other way round. Then we can see what your opinion would be!

I did read your post, hence the reply.

I don't think I dreamt the sequence of events but equally, I didn't watch it through Whino tinted spectacles; having said that, I dislike intensely the type of rugby that Leeds play and in particular McGuire, so I'm not exactly neutral.

Tell you what - I'm watching it again now in glorious HD; I'll pay special attention to the incident in question and report my findings.

Okay?????