Is he that slow? I know he's no speedster but I've seen slower halfbacks - Tim Smith springs to mind. I'm not saying your wrong I'm just not sure he is that slow.

He's slower than Miller but I wouldn't like to put money on a foot race between him and Finn right now.

I do love folk like you - you feel you can post as derogatory a comment as you wish but when someone has the audacity to hit back as hard or harder you run off blubbing. I made a very sensible suggestion, you chose to have a pop - at least be big enough to accept the consequences.

The bit in bold is truly arrogant, it's your opinion and that of a few others - doesn't make it so does it.

At no point did anyone think Sykes was a S/O and please don't pretend you did yet combined with Smith he was excellent. Tracey Lazenby also springs to mind as do many others. Trinity's recent history is full of players stepping up to the mark, when will people like you ever learne - it baffles me it really does. It's often a case of who fits and Howarth in my clearly nowhere near as clever opinion as yours is a player who fits with other players - just a thought.

But hey folks lets just carry on stereotyping players and not giving them the benefit because we all know the signing of Johnathan Thurston is just around the corner.

Miller is lightning quick but needs a foil, Howarth would offer that if Finn were injured. If Miller were injured then Fin and Howarth would perhaps be a little pedestrian but still IMHO a more serviceable partnership than Hall who is talented but as yet seems to be a bit spineless. I suppose Moore is the most obvious step up although it's a while since he's played at 6 or 7.

No it's not rubbish, he has never started a superleague game at stand off. As i stated he may have filled in for injury mid-game and I think he might of played a challenge cup game there for saints, thats it. The 'facts' are out there, feel free to chase them up yourself.

Quote Sacred Cow="Sacred Cow"The point being the style of players they are as opposed to the others mentioned. Miller and Tansey have the same style in the halves, where their game is based around footwork, speed and support play. Whether Tansey would do a better job than Miller is the debate and yes i have my doubts but if Miller continues to under-perform with the ball then it may well be worth trying out to see without having to change the whole system in place. Defensively they are similar, Miller has improved a lot recently recently but remember at times last season he looked like he couldn't tackle a hot dinner let alone anyone else so isn't infallible. Whilst you don't tend to pick a halfback for his defensive quality the have to be able to hold their own and both can to a similar level imho its just the attack that is failing. We have scored just 6 tries in 3 games, 3 of which have been from Howarth running from dummy half from inside the 10 meters. We may need to try something different soon and for me Finn has to stay so Miller is the one under threat. It can be all rendered immaterial though if Miller picks his game up and starts performing over the next couple of weeks.'" So let me get this straight, Howarth is not a S/O and has never played there at SL level but Tansey is and has. Odd because Jordan Lewis Tansey doesn't even bother to mention that on his Wiki site his dominance of the position is such common knowledge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Tansey Absolute comedy gold.

Quote Sacred Cow="Sacred Cow"The point being the style of players they are as opposed to the others mentioned. Miller and Tansey have the same style in the halves, where their game is based around footwork, speed and support play. Whether Tansey would do a better job than Miller is the debate and yes i have my doubts but if Miller continues to under-perform with the ball then it may well be worth trying out to see without having to change the whole system in place. Defensively they are similar, Miller has improved a lot recently recently but remember at times last season he looked like he couldn't tackle a hot dinner let alone anyone else so isn't infallible. Whilst you don't tend to pick a halfback for his defensive quality the have to be able to hold their own and both can to a similar level imho its just the attack that is failing. We have scored just 6 tries in 3 games, 3 of which have been from Howarth running from dummy half from inside the 10 meters. We may need to try something different soon and for me Finn has to stay so Miller is the one under threat. It can be all rendered immaterial though if Miller picks his game up and starts performing over the next couple of weeks.'" So let me get this straight, Howarth is not a S/O and has never played there at SL level but Tansey is and has. Odd because Jordan Lewis Tansey doesn't even bother to mention that on his Wiki site his dominance of the position is such common knowledge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Tansey Absolute comedy gold.

No you do it, it's your claim - seeing as it's squad numbers these days I'll be facinated to see how you do. You could give him a ring I suppose.

What you are doing is stating your own pre-concieved opinions as fact - but they are not facts are they

Quote vastman="vastman"So let me get this straight, Howarth is not a S/O and has never played there at SL level but Tansey is and has. Odd because Jordan Lewis Tansey doesn't even bother to mention that on his Wiki site his dominance of the position is such common knowledge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Tansey Absolute comedy gold.'" Maybe if you cut down on the faux outrage and embarrassing bluster and also read things properly you'd have seen my take on it fully in previous posts. And you do know how wikipedia works don't you?

Quote vastman="vastman"So let me get this straight, Howarth is not a S/O and has never played there at SL level but Tansey is and has. Odd because Jordan Lewis Tansey doesn't even bother to mention that on his Wiki site his dominance of the position is such common knowledge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Tansey Absolute comedy gold.'" Maybe if you cut down on the faux outrage and embarrassing bluster and also read things properly you'd have seen my take on it fully in previous posts. And you do know how wikipedia works don't you?

And you do know how team lists work as well don't you. Or is that beyond you as well?

Anyway happy hunting. The info on this site matches well with the yearbooks i own.

[urlhttp://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/players/stuart-howarth--wt-/summary.html[/url

Pretty similar to you and that's a fact.

Statistics and damned statistics aye. So your argument seems to be that he didn't start on the team sheet at 6. Yet you don't actually know where he played when he came on from the bench which he regularily seemed to be. So if he was to come on and replace the ever brilliant Jeremy Smith/ Keiren Hyde/Tommy Lee that wouldn't count then and defacto it becomes a "never".

Great things these stats, love it.

Leave it alone guys. By all means argue on PM but no one else wants to see this.