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| Some dates to keep an eye out for:
Planning and Highways Committee
Thursday, 18th March 2021 10:00 am
Thursday, 15th April 2021 10:00am
Doesnt seem to be much scheduled after this.
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Quote: Khlav Kalash "Some dates to keep an eye out for
Also a meeting scheduled for February, can’t imagine being involved with that one.
Meetings of the Committee are currently scheduled for 21 January; 11 February; 18 March and 15 April. Further meeting dates will be confirmed in due course.
Kind regards
Andrew Taylor
Committee Team Manager
Wakefield Council
ataylor@wakefield.gov.uk
Tel: 01924 305051
www.wakefield.gov.uk
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Quote: Khlav Kalash "Some dates to keep an eye out for
Also a meeting scheduled for February, can’t imagine being involved with that one.
Meetings of the Committee are currently scheduled for 21 January; 11 February; 18 March and 15 April. Further meeting dates will be confirmed in due course.
Kind regards
Andrew Taylor
Committee Team Manager
Wakefield Council
ataylor@wakefield.gov.uk
Tel: 01924 305051
www.wakefield.gov.uk
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| Looking through the consultee responses for the upgrade works. Have to laugh at the Environmental Health one. Raising concerns about noise level with respect to the fan zone. Surely the 4k or so people in the actual stadium will make more noise.
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| Quote: Khlav Kalash "Looking through the consultee responses for the upgrade works. Have to laugh at the Environmental Health one. Raising concerns about noise level with respect to the fan zone. Surely the 4k or so people in the actual stadium will make more noise.'"
Planning in the UK is utterly ludicrous. Don't know if you were at the meeting where Eric told us that the small metal bridge they wanted to build between the Cats Bar and the flats had been knocked back. The reason given was that Highways had objected on the grounds that it would increase parking congestion!!! Even though it wouldn't have increased the attendance by a single person, pure madness.
As far as I can tell is you will get planning permission only if the planning officer A: Had a great night out. B: Their love life just improved. C: They just like you. D: They have just received the keys for the BMW you just bought them.
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| Quote: vastman "Planning in the UK is utterly ludicrous. Don't know if you were at the meeting where Eric told us that the small metal bridge they wanted to build between the Cats Bar and the flats had been knocked back. The reason given was that Highways had objected on the grounds that it would increase parking congestion!!! Even though it wouldn't have increased the attendance by a single person, pure madness.
As far as I can tell is you will get planning permission only if the planning officer A
Just to let you know what the concerns are of this particular pen pusher.
Name: Environmental Heath Wakefield Council
Address: Wakefield One, Burton Street, Wakefield WF1 2EB Email: Not Available
On Behalf Of: EH Priority Consultations
Comments
Whilst the overall purpose of the development site will not change with the redevelopment there are some areas of concern in respect of noise likely to adversely affect nearby residential occupiers.
I note that the plans show a fans zone located to the outside area of the east stand just behind the nearest residential properties on Doncaster Road. I have been unable to find any further information in the application about the intended use of this area and activities associated with the fans zone. However my understanding is that at many stadiums these areas are used as a gathering area prior to and during matches for fans to social, often drinking and/or with entertainments. Sometimes these fan zones are have facilities for fans without tickets to watch the matches via video screens. The type of activities which may take place have the potential to significantly adversely affect the residential occupiers due to noise. Noise source would include people noise: singing, shouting and amplified sound from video screenings and/or amplified music.
Whilst there is no specific information concerning this proposed fans zone I consider that noise just from the concentrated gathering of fans this area will result in unacceptable impact on the residents. Given the likely nature of the noise and the very close proximity to the residents I do not consider the problem could be reasonably resolved by mitigation at the boundary. I would strongly recommend that that the applicants reconsider the proposal for a fans zone. If this facility is necessary if should be more suitably relocated and proposals for noise mitigation provided.
The use of the exiting public address/sound amplification system at the stadium has been source of complaint to this service in the past. Can the applicants advise if the existing equipment is to be replaced or updated s part of the development.
Should the development be recommended for approval then conditions will be needed to ensure that residents are suitably protected from noise, odour and artificial lighting from activities at the site and noise and dust from demolition and construction. However before I provide any overall recommendation the issue of the fans zone needs resolving.
I doubt very much a video screen is provided for those fans without tickets to watch the game.
The Belle Vue Stadium has been there for nearly 150 years. Every person living on Doncaster road, knew the stadium was there before they bought their property. It’s like someone buying a house near a Church, built 200 years ago, then complaining about bells ringing.
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| The above was published today (28 jan)
This one below published 21jan. Wakefield Council can’t help themselves, just a load of.
Dear Michael,
Health Improvement
Consultation Response
18th January 2021
Belle Vue Stadium, Doncaster Road, Wakefield
East: 434593 North: 419462 20/02587/FUL
PROPOSAL:
Redevelopment of existing stadium comprising: Phase 1: demolition of existing east stand and replacement with 2-storey stand with 2,507 seated capacity and associated facilities, surfacing of car park, provision of fan zone, resurfacing of the pitch, upgrade to the existing floodlights, permanent electronic display screen and re-surfacing of existing north stand; Phase 2: provision of a gym within the refurbished “Rollin Shack”
We have reviewed the above application (20/02587/FUL), with a particular focus on the Health Impact Assessment (HIA) and would like make the following comments, observations and recommendations on behalf of the Wakefield Council Sport & Health Improvement Service and Public Health Department.
The council requires HIAs to be carried out and submitted for specific development schemes to ensure an appropriate and proportionate assessment is made of:
the potential impacts on human health and wellbeing those schemes could have;
the measures that could be put in place in order to minimise any negative impacts and maximise any positive impacts of those schemes.
We consider the submitted HIA (Appendix 6.1 of the Environmental Statement) demonstrates an appropriate and proportionate assessment of the potential impacts of this development has been made. We also consider that, for the majority of the HIA themes, the measures that could be put in place to minimise any negative and maximise any positive impacts of the development have been identified and assessed. There are a however themes where we consider some of the measures proposed in the HIA should go further. In light of this we would like to make the following recommendations.
Transport, Physical Activity, Air Quality and Noise.
Recommendation
We recommend Transport Plans covering the construction and operational phases of the proposed scheme be developed and adopted prior to the start of work on the site. These plan should outline how people, including staff and visitors to the site, will be encouraged to travel to the development using sustainable modes of travel including cycling, walking and public transport, rather than travelling by private car.
Rationale
The development is forecast to increase vehicle trips and associated parking on match days by 498. We acknowledge the submitted Transport Statement concludes car journeys generated from the proposed development “will not have an adverse impact on the local highway network.” However we consider than any increase in car journeys, even a small increase, has potential for negative health impacts and so should have robust mitigation measure in place.
We acknowledge and welcome the HIAs various recommendations intended to reduce car journeys and support people to travel to the site by more sustainable means, but feel these could and should go much further.
The Wakefield Local Development Framework Core Strategy Policy CS11 (Leisure,
Recreation and Open Space) states: “The provision of leisure and recreation facilities and open space will be of a scale appropriate to the type and size of settlement. Wherever possible those that attract large numbers of people will be located in the larger urban areas and be accessible by walking, cycling and public transport.”
NICE public health guidance 41 (p.9) states “Increasing how much someone walks or cycles may increase their overall level of physical activity, leading to associated health benefits.”
Recommendation
We recommend significant additional cycle parking capacity than that already present at the site is created as part of the development. With the option to explore a reduction of this provision if reviews during the 5-year monitoring period identify a significant surplus of capacity.
Rationale
We acknowledge the HIA states that this new development will retain existing cycling provision “so that those who wish to travel to the stadium by these modes are not discouraged by the lack of facilities to accommodate them.” The number of cycle spaces being reviewed during a 5-year monitoring period with further provision of spaces to be investigated should demand arise. However we find this approach somewhat disappointing and consider the scheme should instead seek to proactively encourage people to travel to the site by sustainable modes of transport such as cycling rather than simply aiming not to discourage those who already cycle.
Construction Impacts
Recommendation
We recommend a robust Construction Management plan is developed and adopted prior to the start of work on site in order to mitigate any negative construction impacts.
Rationale
The HIA acknowledges potential for a number of negative health impacts resulting from the construction phase of the development if effective mitigation measures are not put in place
Physical Activity / Sport
Recommendation
Wakefield’s current Playing Pitch Strategy highlights demand for more artificial pitches in the Wakefield Central area, therefore, we would support the proposed new artificial playing surface.
Rational
The Wakefield Local Development Framework Core Strategy Policy CS11 (Leisure, Recreation and Open Space) states that good quality, well maintained leisure, recreation and open space facilities will be secured to address identified deficiencies and meet the needs of local communities, particularly deprived groups. Key measures will be:
Increased and improved facilities for health and fitness in central Wakefield
Provision to address the needs of older people through increased indoor
facilities
New stadia development particularly in Wakefield and Castleford
Section 3.3.30 of the Application Site and Proposed Development statement indicates that the playing area will be upgraded and a new 4G artificial pitch will be installed
Recommendation
We recommend the applicant adheres to the relevant pitch manufacturer’s usage recommendations. They should also refer to Sport England design guidance for sports pitches in addition to the Rugby Football League Performance and Construction Standards for Synthetic Turf Pitches.
Rationale
This will ensure that the correct surface and maintenance regime is delivered to accommodate the proposed level of use.
Conclusions
If the above recommendations are implemented together with those outlined in the HIA we consider the proposed development has the potential to have an overall positive impact on health and wellbeing, both locally and for the wider district.
Regards
Jack Birkby
Specialist Health Improvement Officer (Sports Development) Sport & Health Improvement
Wakefield Council
John Wilcox
Health Improvement Team Leader Sport & Health Improvement Wakefield Council
And we used to think Box was a bad guy.
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| Quote: Dunkirk Spirit "The above was published today (28 jan)
This one below published 21jan. Wakefield Council can’t help themselves, just a load of.
Dear Michael,
Health Improvement
Consultation Response
18th January 2021
Belle Vue Stadium, Doncaster Road, Wakefield
East
Can't see anything to bad there at a quick glance, which bits are worrying you?
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| Quote: vastman "Can't see anything to bad there at a quick glance, which bits are worrying you?'"
Looks like we will all have to buy a push bike or pay extortionate bus prices then
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| They ought to be giving Mc and Minards the keys to the city for what they are delivering for the good people of the city of Wakefield.
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| Quote: vastman "Can't see anything to bad there at a quick glance, which bits are worrying you?'"
Nothing worrying, just a waste of time and energy of the consultee. The issue with planners they think everyone wants to cycle and are somehow forced under duress to drive a car. The saving grace is they will accept a reduction on the cycle parking if it isnt used.
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| Quote: vastman "Can't see anything to bad there at a quick glance, which bits are worrying you?'" at this rate the council will be capping the attendance for fear of extra traffic by the public using their cars by the reading of it, not everyone walks or uses bikes to get there
do you not think the council have gone ott with the recommendations
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| Quote: Big lads mate "Looks like we will all have to buy a push bike or pay extortionate bus prices then
How many cycle racks are there at the Hepworth , and whoever passed that monstrosity of a building off wants keel hauling . More than likely a rhinos fan who’s in charge of wakey ground plans as he still thinks the combustion engine hasn’t got to us yet so need plenty of bike racks .
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| Quote: vastman "Can't see anything to bad there at a quick glance, which bits are worrying you?'"
I think they are nit picking, regarding how people travel to the stadium. They moan about increased traffic levels, forecast of an extra 490 cars once stadium is built, (we hope). They just allowed a petrol station with mini super market/coffee takeaway built a hundred yards away from stadium, the recent relief road and new housing/commercial development proposals, how much traffic will/has that increased? The argument of an extra 490 cars on match days is laughable. The stadium plans provide for 40 cycle spaces, apparently this is nowhere near enough.
They want people to find alternatives to a car for travel to the stadium, good luck to away fans, corporate hospitality guests, and the majority of older home fans. Some people in authority, just don’t live in the real world.
Regarding the construction traffic, I’m confident an experienced contractor will be aware of regulations.
I know I’m biased re the stadium, but this council i find less than helpful.
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| Quote: Big lads mate "Looks like we will all have to buy a push bike or pay extortionate bus prices then
I recommend the bike. You said you need to lose a few pounds, better from your waist, than your wallet.
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| I would not have thought that MC and his team expected this application to sail through without some sort of queries being raised.
The enquires won’t take someone who knows what they are talking about, that long to sort out.
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