Having read all the comments in this thread, it is very odd that our current, more senior half back in Miller, is rarely mentioned.

I think his performances towards the end of the season did pick up, as well as others.

However, I do think Hampshire does beat him with the kicking game and passing, not to mention speed. He is also a few years younger and with more time on his hands to develop further

Rocky's kicking did fall off a bit towards the end, but looking st his goal.kicking, he looks like he rushes them a bit sometimes.

With my comment on the third paragraph, is Miller guaranteed to start alongside William's, and if so, should he be?

Personally, I'd rather have Miller than Hampshire at 6.
There is no doubt Hampshire is an athlete but its how you use it that counts and Miller is better at that in my opinion.

I wouldn’t argue with you.

My point was that in the last few games he looked to be heading in the right direction again, after a year or so of decline. That’s all you can ask. I don’t think he is a Thurston in the making, never did. That was just ludicrous hype peddled by some.

Doesn’t mean he can’t be a very useful HB within the limitations of his game. If he concentrates on what he does well and works hard on what he doesn’t I’m happy with that, so long the team can work with it.

Very few players are true masters of their trade, less so HB’’s. Some of the Aussies often touted on here aren’t even close. Personally I’m yet to be convinced that Sam Williams is any kind of upgrade. I honestly believe people are viewing his last stint with the club through rose tinted specs.

We will see.

Is he?

Miller has all the same faults as Hampshire, most notably the true ability to run a game. Miller himself has always admitted that both Brough and especially Finn did all the thinking. He said it on SKY in Finns case.

Not sure what version of Miller you see.

Truth is both he and Hampshire only redeemed themselves in the last five games.

I agree they only redeemed themselves in the last 5 games, as did most of the rest of the team. I also agree that neither are the kind of 'organising' type half that we need, so it does then become a choice of one of them playing not both.

To me that, plus a better all-round kicking game, is where Sam Williams has the edge. I don't think we saw the best of him 1st time round as Finn was playing so well and so regularly that he didn't get the run of games he needed to fully settle in - nobody expected Finn to go as well for as long as he did - perhaps the added competition for his place spurred him on.

However, since that spell Sam has performed in the NRL whenever called on, which I can't see Hampshire or Miller ever being able to do

You are not talking about the same position.
I don't want Miller to run a game. I want the 7 to do that.
I want him to run at the line, pass at the right time and inspire the team. I think he does that better than Hampshire.
Can't see the problem though. If we get a decent 7 they can compete for the 6 role and will push each other. But Miller has the starting spot for me right now.

They are very similar styles indeed. The way I see it, is that Miller is 28 and Hampshire is 25. Miller has had 6 seasons with us and almost all his games, probably around 150, have been played in the halves, and mainly alongside good organisers. In this time, he has had time to develop his game, but yet we still see those hospital passes coming out often, yet Hampshire has had 3 seasons with us, half the amount of games, but within those games, played in several other positions, without having a long consistency run there like others.

Don't get me wrong, in his day, Miller is as good and dangerous running half back in super league, but is very inconsistent unfortunately.

Over and above this, he is a local lad, which is useful if we ever have to juggle our quota.

After re-watching the Salford game and seeing just how comfortable Brad Walker looked in the halves and the fact that he created so much and made it look so effortless and with playing all his junior rugby in the halves, it makes me think if after all this time in our search for a half have we been missing a perfectly good one right under our noses?

I know it is only half a game but for him to fit in to the side like that and play like he has been in the side for a few seasons is almost unheard of in that position.

What kind of money are we spending?

https://www.superleague.co.uk/stats Look at the stats for the 2017 season, butcalso bear in mind that of his 24 games for us, probably a third were from the bench. Compare to Finn who played the whole season, and Miller, who missed half a dozen games a so, through injury

https://www.superleague.co.uk/stats Look at the stats for the 2017 season, butcalso bear in mind that of his 24 games for us, probably a third were from the bench. Compare to Finn who played the whole season, and Miller, who missed half a dozen games a so, through injury

Agreed, Miller is defo a 6, its his running game and off the cuff play is where he excels