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| Without wishing to putting the cat amongst the pigeons the Form player for me so far this season isn’t tom or Reece its woody.
Tom’s a young lad and he’ll get a crack at an England or GB call up sooner or later .
Reece is a cracking club player but lacks that X factor to make him stand out from the crowd and fullfil his early career potential.
Poor woody is playing out of his skin week in week out but will no doubt just be seen as a great club player.
Just my opinion of course .
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| Form doesn't come into it with Bennett, Geg Eden scored over 40 tries last year (a lot of them top draw finishes) but that wasn't good enough for Wayno.
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| What I don’t get with the international set up is playing players out of position to where they play for their club.
We had Sculthorpe who was loose forward for saint put in the stand off position and sinfield who was loose at Leeds put in the hooker position.
Now we have Bateman who is second row playing at centre ,even Wayne says he’s only playing him at second row because of injuries .
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| Quote Kettykat="Kettykat"Without wishing to putting the cat amongst the pigeons the Form player for me so far this season isn’t tom or Reece its woody.
Tom’s a young lad and he’ll get a crack at an England or GB call up sooner or later .
Reece is a cracking club player but lacks that X factor to make him stand out from the crowd and fullfil his early career potential.
Poor woody is playing out of his skin week in week out but will no doubt just be seen as a great club player.
Just my opinion of course .'"
Agree about Woody.
He's one of the few players we have who are capable of turning a game around, as he so nearly did last weekend.
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| you only have to look at our league position to see we haven't any players hitting the inform button week in week out to get selected, saying that there has been a few selected from other clubs that makes you wonder how they have managed to get in
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| I agree on both of your points there Kettycat, regarding Woody and players out of position.
Problem with the hooking role, there is already Houghton, Roby, Clark and Hodgson, who he is in competition with, who are all good players.
Playing players out of position has been happening for a long time now, even going back to the Andy Farrell days. One thing especially, is playing halves at full back and vise versa. I know it has advantages, but I prefer to see players in their natural position
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| Quote newgroundb4wakey="newgroundb4wakey"Form doesn't come into it with Bennett, Geg Eden scored over 40 tries last year (a lot of them top draw finishes) but that wasn't good enough for Wayno.'"
Would you rate Eden above Englands current wingers (or Johnstone) ??
He benefitted from Castlefords attacking style, which often overloads the left side.
Remember Solomona ??
Altough Eden scored a lot of tries and some cracking efforts among them, I wouldnt put him in the top 5.
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| Quote JINJER="JINJER"Speed or not Makinson has been involved with 13 tries and TJ 11. Carney at Cas was sensational, not the fastest by any stretch of the imagination, different wingers have different attributes.'"
The emphasis wasn't on speed... "and finish an attacking move."
Who's finished more of the attacking moves?
I'm not saying Makinson shouldn't be there but I see Makinson as a winger, if he's going to be played at centre then fine but Hall and McGillvary shouldn't be there based on their scoring abilities.
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| Quote Trinity18="Trinity18"The emphasis wasn't on speed... '"
You posted earlier.
Definition of a rugby league winger...
"They are generally among the fastest players in a team, with the speed to exploit space that is created for them and finish an attacking move."
I'm quoting you here, first your definition, then you say the emphasis wasn't on speed.

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| Quote JINJER="JINJER"You posted earlier.
Definition of a rugby league winger...
"They are generally among the fastest players in a team, with the speed to exploit space that is created for them and finish an attacking move."
I'm quoting you here, first your definition, then you say the emphasis wasn't on speed.
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You're not grasping the point of the definition. break it down...
"They are generally among the fastest players in a team"- Point noted, I'd say TJ is faster than Hall, McGillvary, with Makinson getting a close second.
"With the speed to exploit space that is created for them and finish an attacking move." - End result? "Finish an attacking move" - Who's finished the most attacking moves?
You can't make it any clearer.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Would you rate Eden above Englands current wingers (or Johnstone) ??
He benefitted from Castlefords attacking style, which often overloads the left side.
Remember Solomona ??
Although Eden scored a lot of tries and some cracking efforts among them, I wouldnt put him in the top 5.'"
Afraid I have to concur - some superb finishes from Eden last year but defensively is he up to the job dealing with the high balls etc or make the yards with the early set carries that Hall does? I'd day no. This isn't club bias as there are a few Cas players I consider very unfortunate not to be involved over the last few years - Shenton, Milner, McMeekin to name three. Eden is well down the list for wingers though.
On TJ - love the boy but he hasn't been good enough for a call up this year. Long term he is probably England's 5 but chances are few and far between to break through until Hall hangs his boots up. He's in the elite training squad and making progress. A good end to the year and might make the Autumn series squad.
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| Quote Trinity18="Trinity18"You're not grasping the point of the definition. break it down...
"They are generally among the fastest players in a team"- Point noted, I'd say TJ is faster than Hall, McGillvary, with Makinson getting a close second.
"With the speed to exploit space that is created for them and finish an attacking move." - End result? "Finish an attacking move" - Who's finished the most attacking moves?
You can't make it any clearer.'"
That view of a winger is from the 50s.
They now need to be robust enough to make yards on kick return when the forwards have charged the kick. They need to be able to take a high ball under pressure as the wing is now the most often target of the "up and under". They need to be able to manage the defense and pull their colleagues along the line to keep the numbers right. They need to be able to finish a move given the new corner flag rule.
Just putting the fast lad on the wing isn't enough these days.
TJ ticks many of these boxes and will in my and it seems many of our opinions will play for England, but Hall and McGilivray have shown they can do it on the big stage.
If you just want someone faster than Hall you would be playing MCB
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