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| You can read absolutely nothing into that second half in the friendly and trying to make out as if it proves anything is ridiculously small time. They battered us first half and then took most of their players off.
If I had to choose I reckon five of our lads would get in their 17, those being Huby, Fifita, Ashurst and our wingers (I reckon Johnstone would probably have 15+ tries this season if he played for them). Arona wouldn't be far off either. Big issue is that their pivots are much better than ours. We're definitely capable of winning but it'll take pretty much our entire 17 to be on top form and a few of theirs to have poor games (or the ref to have a shocker in our favour).
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| Quote Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"Quote Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo="Fully"Enough to let us win 7 out of our first 8 games
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I wasn't refereing to your starting 17 but to the list of replacements .'"
But out of those replacements Massey has played every game. Springer has played all but 1 or 2. Monaghan has played 3 or 4. Maher has played 3 or 4 also. So over half of them have helped us win those games as fully pointed out.
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| Quote matt_casfan="matt_casfan"But out of those replacements Massey has played every game. Springer has played all but 1 or 2. Monaghan has played 3 or 4. Maher has played 3 or 4 also. So over half of them have helped us win those games as fully pointed out.'"
Maher hasn't strictly played any. Named on the bench against Leeds and didn't come on.
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| Quote jakeyg95="jakeyg95"You can read absolutely nothing into that second half in the friendly and trying to make out as if it proves anything is ridiculously small time. They battered us first half and then took most of their players off.
If I had to choose I reckon five of our lads would get in their 17, those being Huby, Fifita, Ashurst and our wingers (I reckon Johnstone would probably have 15+ tries this season if he played for them). Arona wouldn't be far off either. Big issue is that their pivots are much better than ours. We're definitely capable of winning but it'll take pretty much our entire 17 to be on top form and a few of theirs to have poor games (or the ref to have a shocker in our favour).'"
Finally some sense (your 1st para).
I am curious to know though who Fifita and Ashurst would get into our squad for?
I cant see Ashurst being picked over any of our 2nd rowers Mcmeeken Jesse or Oli Holmes.
Likewise I cant see Fifita being picked over Moors Millington Lynch Springer and co.
Huby and Johnstone theres definitley room for. Bjb not a cat in hells chance 1st 17 - altough I would have him over Monaghan as back up.
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| Quote Towns88="Towns88"Maher hasn't strictly played any. Named on the bench against Leeds and didn't come on.'"
Correct. My mistake. Hes that good a replacement we didnt need him that night ! 
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| Quote matt_casfan="matt_casfan"Finally some sense (your 1st para).
I am curious to know though who Fifita and Ashurst would get into our squad for?
I cant see Ashurst being picked over any of our 2nd rowers Mcmeeken Jesse or Oli Holmes.
Likewise I cant see Fifita being picked over Moors Millington Lynch Springer and co.
Huby and Johnstone theres definitley room for. Bjb not a cat in hells chance 1st 17 - altough I would have him over Monaghan as back up.'"
If I had to pick a 17 out of the two squads I would probably go with:
Hardaker
BJB
Webster
Shenton
Johnstone
Roberts
Gale
Huby
McShane
Moors
Ashurst
McMeeken
Milner
Chase
Fifita
Sene-Lefao
Millington
I think your wingers are good, but a lot of the tries they score are down to the fact that you've got the best halfs and full back combo in the league and your centres are better whereas if you look at some of the tries our wingers are scoring they're amazing solo efforts as they're not receiving anywhere the same amount of quality ball as yours do. Put both our wingers in your team and I think they'd both outscore Eden and Minikin (although Minikin looks like he's gonna be a very good player and potentially better than BJB, but not just yet). Ashurst is quality as well and I'd personally rather have him than Holmes, probably our best forward, very good defensively but again he just doesn't get enough good ball from our halfbacks in attack. Runs very good lines but mostly just gets hospital passes from Miller followed by being smashed by some onrushing defenders. Fifita and Huby, pretty self explanatory, both are excellent props, lots of metres, great defensively, lots of tackle busts, Fifita also looks to have an excellent knack at milking penalties. I bet Huby regrets leaving Cas for Huddersfield now though, especially as his style of play would be perfect for your team now. I think it's close between Arona and Milner too, but I'm biased towards Milner since he's from Stanley.
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| I guess we'll see how our team of no hope's get on then.
Can't wait. Hope Fifita rocks them around a bit would be good if England back and fit to give us real fire power up front.
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| This Cas love in/appreciation is getting a little bit vomit inducing. You don't see either Hull supporters lick the rival's team behinds as much
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| Quote Willzay="Willzay"This Cas love in/appreciation is getting a little bit vomit inducing. You don't see either Hull supporters lick the rival's team behinds as much'"
Funny how according to you it's "vomit inducing" to give your rivals any kind of praise yet you spend pretty much all your time on here absolutely tearing our players to shreds.
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| Quote matt_casfan="matt_casfan"Finally some sense (your 1st para).
I am curious to know though who Fifita and Ashurst would get into our squad for?
I cant see Ashurst being picked over any of our 2nd rowers Mcmeeken Jesse or Oli Holmes.
Likewise I cant see Fifita being picked over Moors Millington Lynch Springer and co.
Huby and Johnstone theres definitley room for. Bjb not a cat in hells chance 1st 17 - altough I would have him over Monaghan as back up.'"
Your going to say that aren't you and being a bit one eyed imo. These who'd get in who's side are always a bit subjective and hard to comapre player X against player Y, just because they're playing in different teams, in different structures etc.
For me though Fifita's our best Prop, almost umpayable at times and just about always takes 3 or 4 to take him down and has a good offload when he wants. Huby's played well and got better as the season's gone on but I'd have Fifita over him.
Although stats aren't the be all and end all but as good as you can get especially for Forwards. Fifita's made most meters for us as a forward at 867, 161 tackles & an average gain of 7.61. Which are better stats than most of ypur Props, Just Moors has more meters & Lynch as a slightly better AG of 7.76. He'd get in your side for Millington, Massey, cook or Springer imo.
Also Ashurts stats stack up very well against your second rowers 247 tackles, 598 meters at AG of 7.38. Compare that against McMeeken who I really rate who's made 201 tackles , 637 meters, at AG of 7.32. Or Jesse Sene-Lafao who's made 152 tackles, 548 meters and a AS of 7.31. Ashurst stackes up very well against any of those. As for Oliver Holmes, give over he's no where near as good. I also think Arona would make your team imo, can play anywhere in the back row, he's the top tackler in our side last year and this year so far and makes good meters, a kind of player every teams, who just generally does all the hard graft, a really under rated player a bit like Ashurst it seems.
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| Quote PopTart="PopTart"I guess we'll see how our team of no hope's get on then.
Can't wait. Hope Fifita rocks them around a bit [u would be good if England back and fit to give us real fire power up front[/u.'"
It would and hopefully find his form from last year before he got injured.
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| Quote jakeyg95="jakeyg95"If I had to pick a 17 out of the two squads I would probably go with:
Hardaker
BJB
Webster
Shenton
Johnstone
Roberts
Gale
Huby
McShane
Moors
Ashurst
McMeeken
Milner
Chase
Fifita
Sene-Lefao
Millington
I think your wingers are good, but a lot of the tries they score are down to the fact that you've got the best halfs and full back combo in the league and your centres are better whereas if you look at some of the tries our wingers are scoring they're amazing solo efforts as they're not receiving anywhere the same amount of quality ball as yours do. Put both our wingers in your team and I think they'd both outscore Eden and Minikin (although Minikin looks like he's gonna be a very good player and potentially better than BJB, but not just yet). Ashurst is quality as well and I'd personally rather have him than Holmes, probably our best forward, very good defensively but again he just doesn't get enough good ball from our halfbacks in attack. Runs very good lines but mostly just gets hospital passes from Miller followed by being smashed by some onrushing defenders. Fifita and Huby, pretty self explanatory, both are excellent props, lots of metres, great defensively, lots of tackle busts, Fifita also looks to have an excellent knack at milking penalties. I bet Huby regrets leaving Cas for Huddersfield now though, especially as his style of play would be perfect for your team now. I think it's close between Arona and Milner too, but I'm biased towards Milner since he's from Stanley.'"
Yes that's about what I'd go for tbf, but as a Eastmoor lad I have no problem sticking Arona at Loose. 
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