Its hard to market the product we are currently rolling out to be fair. The crowds are partly as a consequence of the sharp season ticket changes from last year and the current rut the club is in.

Yes there are some positives from the performance but my concern is the ease with which we let tries in, especially on our line. We have the softest on-line goal defence I have seen from a top flight club for a long time. Props scoring from 5 yards from a single pass with relatively little effort is just indicative of this and in my opinion it comes from attitude and intensity.

We had waves of intensity last night but when it comes to defending our own line we appear clueless.

Pathetic

Best atmosphere in the North stand all season I left the match feeling more optimistic than I have done in recent weeks. Then the negativity on here.

3017 and how many from Wigan?

I take my hat off to Mr Carter but fear the real irreversible damage had being done to the club by the previous regime and 3000-4000 walked away for the last time many who had seen it all too often and enough was enough

I fear for the very existence of WT beyond this season

It does seem the club is going down without a fight, no marketing at all.
There are very cheap ways of marketing but we seem to do none, bar promoting on social media.

I'm not a big fan of cheap tickets, but after some of the performances and results we may need to do
something like that to coax some of the stayaways back?

Players in town on a Saturday handing out flyers?

We haven't had a red, white and blue match day yet either.

I may be wrong but wasn't MC quoted a while since saying he didn't think marketing had any positives? Not needed?

All those millions of successful companies around the world must be wrong then.

MC is an accountant and in my experience accountants don't like spending any money speculatively. He is going to have to change this stance to some degree or the club will dwindle away pretty soon.

I recall him saying there is no money to speculate with.

I thought we'd employed an Ex Man Utd Marketing Executive?

you should have to listen to this obnoxious pratt (toned down) that I have to work with, he never has a good word for the club constantly most about anything utter total waste of skin his last game was against crusaders at home he's a hand gesture

hope that doesn't breaker the swear filter

I agree at some point you have to speculate to accumulative, wouldn't take long to get the feel good factor back to BV

Very frustrating at the minute. I'm still of the belief that when we get our first 17 on the pitch we will cause some damage, that Webster is a good coach and that MC is doing the very best he can. The new ground stuff is all in the open. Short termish pain for long term gain. We will be competitive in a few weeks time but how many supporters will still be around by then?

The balance isn't right. Glover and co knew how to sell optimism. The fact that the foundations were unsteady didn't matter to those coming through the door. We won't build unless we get people back on the terraces. The approach of "real fans stick with us" just gets the backs up of everyone else (you only have to look at the Shankly quote on MC's Twitter feed to get the underlying current). It used to be We Are Together.

As someone has said, it wouldn't take much to get the crowds back. The will is there. But you've got to encourage the occasional fan and try and turn them into diehards. A "diehards only" approach will sink us.

Dunno about that, but there will be a lot of Leigh fans because we are on an 'upward spiral' which you guys also experienced a few years ago. Sorry if I appeared to be *itchy, not my intention Khlav.

Wish our cup tie was at Leigh. Think the away following get behind the team more especially when they're condensed into the modern grounds away area. Might not be a bad thing altogether if we don't get the extra home games in the middle 8 comp either?