They may have been winnable, but that's in part due to the players we now have. Forget the "we won this game last season" stuff... if that held true, we wouldn't need to bother playing at all. "We keep making the same mistakes every week", but until you've played together as a team for a reasonable amount of time, you will keep making the same mistakes...

Give it half a season, and look for improvement then. Certain things we can't change, like the need for a block-busting prop or a proper kicker... those things are obvious to anyone, even Agar... but at least give the coach some time to mould a team together. Widnes beat Wigan this afternoon... hey ho

But if that's the point, how come we were winning games this time last season? The team then were largely new / thrown together - and on a tight budget, but we found a way to win then and we need to do it now.

These players are, IMO, better than last years, but there is little evidence to back that up and they need to provide that themselves - to stand up and be counted; take a game by the scruff of the neck and take your team-mates with you. Until they do this, they are as yet no better than last seasons squad - and that for me is an under-achievement and we need to accept that in order to get to where we all believe we can be.

This years team are better than the rubbish we saw last season because when we lost last season we were absolutely battered most times. We are not being blown away this season and have been close in all games so far i think. There was no middle point last season. If we lost last season it was embarrasing. I would be surprised if we did not win more than the 7 we did last term. And i would be very surprised if we had the shambolic points diff that we had last term. We have not been great so far this season. Last season was shocking.

Like I said - you can't judge a team or an achievement on the back of 5 games. It may take this team half a season to gel... we may have a cracking 2nd half to the season. Most other punters on here, whilst disappointed with the results, are happy with the way we're playing the game. The crowds are up. The team aren't losing deliberately. Have faith... or hope... or faith again...

you can give a team and new coach as long as you want to gel but if you are missing one on one tackles and making basic unforced handling errors then the players have to shoulder some of the blame.

Don't think we need a thread. The results will continue to do the job. This will be the 1st season where a long string of defeats actually is good news.

Every team makes those.
5 GAMES.
Double the figure, and if things are still the same, I'll join everyone else in the rant.

i know but its no co-incidence that generally the teams that make the least finish towards the top of the table whilst the ones that make the most finish near the bottom.

I get what you saying, and think as far as the unforced errors are concerned, we just need to find a better balance between the 5 drives and a kick low risk JK tactics of the last 2 seasons, and the more expansive rugby we are trying to play this season. For mine, as I said on another thread, we are trying to be too elaborate and almost panicking at times, with some ill advised or in some cases plain impossible/bad off-loads/passes. We also need people receiving the ball to be coming from a bit deeper so they are already at speed when taking the pass, thus giving them a far better opportunity of breaking the tackle or getting through a gap before it gets closed.

On the one on one tackles, for me we need to move up quicker and get in he oppositions faces before they get to much of a head of steam up. Our advance 2m and wait to see what the opposition are gonna do ploy gives away easy metres and puts us on the back foot, as well as making it more difficult to effect these one on one tackles.

I think this team are learning already!Learning that however well or or badly they play they will be selected for the next Game

Comparing the results of this year's version of WTW with last year's, against teams who've also made significant changes, is an exercise in futility. It has to be remembered that the rest of SL is not static; we may well have found ways to win against some teams last season, but both they and us have made radical changes since then.

I understand the frustration, but I question the methodology in arriving at it; we're in a much better position than we were last year, in allsorts of ways, and I'll take that big picture improvement over a couple of 'Kear specials' any day, providing it leads to sustainable improvements and on that front, it's too early to make a judgement.

From beating Widnes, when we played some expansive and attractive rugby league, we appear to be playing a much "safer" game and certainly less expansive.
Yes there have been a hefty number of stray passes, but we seem to be trying not to lose, rather than trying to win.
We don't have enough spark in attack and out of our mix of half backs/hookers there is only Wood that has any kind of tactical kicking game.
The club has come on leaps and bounds in the last 12 months and the crowd yesterday was excellent. However, it would appear that we are not being ambitious enough on the pitch,
especially taking into acount the squad that we have.

mate , the rubbish as you call them fromlast year beat all 3 teams that have beat us this year, with a coach that probably spent half the money that we have this season but all the signs are there and before long we will click and the investment will pay off. don't think there is any lack of effort or skill among the boys. familiarity will breed sucess.