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| Well it hasn't for Crusaders!
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| Quote: kinleycat "Well it hasn't for Crusaders!'"
Tbf we all know that won't count for nothing, your only SL saving grace is using the Cru in admin point so if you did you'd lose that and with ground situation last time showing one failure & one on a knife edge plus RFL will look at cap spent this season added to crowds and performance and can you see someone else being dropped? Salford IMO were at risk but ground stepped up and spent big this year.
No buyer will pay extra to creditors when could still lose SL licence and will have then spent money on debt they could of on the club. At current Wakey don't seem able to run a SL set up, can that really change in what 3 months? Bare in mind SO'C took over Widnes in November, offered a 500k guarantee on the club in SL and was still told it was to soon!
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| Quote: adelaide-giant.no9 "if administration did occur, would that basically mean you are out of super league?i know the rules get changed every year'"
Prior to Crusaders going into Admin all SL clubs voted to remove the clause about going into Admin being detrimental to membership[ of SL. Convenient for them. Wonder if it will be for us?
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33791.jpg [b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable
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| Quote: adelaide-giant.no9 "if administration did occur, would that basically mean you are out of super league?i know the rules get changed every year'"
Administration is now a punishable offence and but does not exclude a club from or applying for a new SL licence. Bankruptcy/Liquidation does, administration then exiting administration does not. So if the administrators can find a buyer, which looks likely, then it theoretically has no impact on the licence process... the change of rules for Crusaders is suddenly good thing for Wakefield, not a bad thing!
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| We all know the possibility of a franchise was well and truly blown out of the water the moment Newmarket went to a public enquiry. No rule change with regard to administration will help us - quite the contrary, in fact. It merely safeguards the Crusaders.
As for administration - am I the only one who's thinking that maybe it won't be the panacea that some on here are claiming it will? Aside from the fact that no one seems to know what will happen regarding the remainder of the money due from the sale of Belle Vue, the thing that's made me wonder recently is this whole issue of the 350K we [ididn't get[/i from Yorkcourt because the Newmarket development went to a PI. And 350K wasn't the end of it, by all accounts.
So why were we due the money?
I may be wrong here - facts are not easy to come by - but I seem to recall someone claiming that it was Ted who bought part of the land (as greenbelt, or whatever it was designated as) and sold it to Yorkcourt. As development land, of course, it would have been worth considerably more than was paid for it - and this would have been the gamble. It would also account for the stadium tie-in.
Is this why the payments were due?
If we [ido[/i go into admininstration, Ted will no longer be chairman of the club. The Newmarket stadium development will no longer be his concern. The money for any development that takes place on the land (with or without stadium) will still be his, though (assuming he is in fact the former owner of the land). Now if you were Ted, what would you do?
I'm not saying this is deffo the case. I'm just building an argument on the basis of what's been mentioned here before. It seems a more credible explanation to me than the "sweetener" from Yorkcourt that had been put forward by some.
Do we really know what we're getting into here? That's the question.
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| Quote: MOPSEY LIVES ON "i was told the points deduction depends on the size of the debt so it might only be 2 not 4 points deducted. theonly reason i want admin. is because its probably the only way toget shut of this bod.'"
i agree, and to compound the argument I hope it will mean we will get rid of you, until you hear something you do not like from new management and you harp on again.
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| Quote: RebelRebel "As for administration - am I the only one who's thinking that maybe it won't be the panacea that some on here are claiming it will? Aside from the fact that no one seems to know what will happen regarding the remainder of the money due from the sale of Belle Vue, the thing that's made me wonder recently is this whole issue of the 350K we [ididn't get[/i from Yorkcourt because the Newmarket development went to a PI. And 350K wasn't the end of it, by all accounts.
So why were we due the money?
I may be wrong here - facts are not easy to come by - but I seem to recall someone claiming that it was Ted who bought part of the land (as greenbelt, or whatever it was designated as) and sold it to Yorkcourt. As development land, of course, it would have been worth considerably more than was paid for it - and this would have been the gamble. It would also account for the stadium tie-in.
Is this why the payments were due?
If we [ido[/i go into admininstration, Ted will no longer be chairman of the club. The Newmarket stadium development will no longer be his concern. The money for any development that takes place on the land (with or without stadium) will still be his, though (assuming he is in fact the former owner of the land). Now if you were Ted, what would you do?
I'm not saying this is deffo the case. I'm just building an argument on the basis of what's been mentioned here before. It seems a more credible explanation to me than the "sweetener" from Yorkcourt that had been put forward by some.
Do we really know what we're getting into here? That's the question.'"
I was bemused by the £350k from Yorkcourt intially - simple question, why would YC pay a "sweetener" to WT as they effectively had us over the proverbial barrel anyway?
It turns out that the money from YC relates to BV & would have been part of a deal that released Cala from paying what was outstanding on the original deal.
Whether Ted has or hasn't bought land at Newmarket I don't know, but the £350k related to an asset of WTRLFC Ltd rather than something the Ted would directly benefit from.
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| Administration could spell the end of the club who is out there with money to put into a club with no ground after this season with little or no hope of SL rugby
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| Quote: GET EM ON SIDE REF "Administration could spell the end of the club who is out there with money to put into a club with no ground after this season with little or no hope of SL rugby'"
If enough people sign up, the supporters trust?
If 5000 people joined and the membership fee was £20 it would give the trust £100k to play with, if it was raised to £50 it would result in £250k. I think those kind of figures would be reasonable to run a club at Championship level.
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33791.jpg [b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable
...except from a vending machine![/b:1swa1vwo]
[quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>
IA mode off. [/quote:1swa1vwo]:33791.jpg |
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| Quote: GET EM ON SIDE REF "Administration could spell the end of the club who is out there with money to put into a club with no ground after this season with little or no hope of SL rugby'"
Well, if rumours are true then at least 2 if not 3 people. Also, why would you not have a ground, to stay in SL then Barnsley or Doncaster look likely until Newmarket and staying at Belle Vue in the NL1 would seem to be on the cards if not. The new owner may make the administrator an offer they can't refuse for Belle Vue, or if they are looking to sell Belle Vue on to others or if it is to be liquidated, then the longer the better, as land is only going to go back up in price and why would you not rent it back to the newly owned team until Newmarket or something else came along! The Administrator has a legal responsibility not only to keep and sell the company as a going concern, they also have to do everything they can to choose (if given a choice) who provides the best sustainable long term future for the company.
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| Looks lke Championship rugby for the next 3 yrs.Crowds will fall and wont be easy starting with a new team, against teams such as Leigh etc.
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34595_1297504122.jpg [color=#BF0000:1qi6asc8]WAKEFIELD FANS ARE BORN, NOT MANUFACTURED.WE DO NOT CHOOSE, WE ARE CHOSEN. THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND NEED NO EXPLANATION. THOSE WHO DONT, DONT MATTER.[/color:1qi6asc8]
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| Quote: OFFTHECUFF "Looks lke Championship rugby for the next 3 yrs.Crowds will fall and wont be easy starting with a new team, against teams such as Leigh etc.'"
it wont be easy but hopefully we will still have a club and something to build on. we will allways have the fact we were never relegated from sl by finishing bottom of the league.
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| Quote: MOPSEY LIVES ON "it wont be easy but hopefully we will still have a club and something to build on. we will allways have the fact we were never relegated from sl by finishing bottom of the league.'"
I hope you still have a club buddy, as i like the heartlands to be kept hold off.Annoying when london and crusaders keep getting handouts and help.
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3662_1306065880.jpg [quote="EmmaMur01"]I hope they get relegated. Their fans are idiots.[/quote]
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| Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "Well, if rumours are true then at least 2 if not 3 people. Also, why would you not have a ground, to stay in SL then Barnsley or Doncaster look likely until Newmarket and staying at Belle Vue in the NL1 would seem to be on the cards if not. The new owner may make the administrator an offer they can't refuse for Belle Vue, or if they are looking to sell Belle Vue on to others or if it is to be liquidated, then the longer the better, as land is only going to go back up in price and why would you not rent it back to the newly owned team until Newmarket or something else came along! The Administrator has a legal responsibility not only to keep and sell the company as a going concern, they also have to do everything they can to choose (if given a choice) who provides the best sustainable long term future for the company.'"
Barnsley would be risky Doncaster would be suicide. If we can stay at Belle Vue then bring on the championship, hell it's been a good run.
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