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| Quote Slugger McBatt="Slugger McBatt"I think the club needs to be more upfront about what they need the money for. The deadline suggests it is an immediate need for the cash rather than general operating funds, and in which case, if the 500K is destined for a specific issue, whatever that may be, what happens when the next crisis comes along? The current BoD will be able to say "your problem now" and we will have all kissed goodbye to our cash.
If the club can say what the money is for, they may get some of mine, but it all sounds very vague. Saving the club is one thing. Merely postponing it's demise another.'"
vague is an understatement.
it sounds crazy that one body of people can ask another body of people for half a million pounds and not tell them exactly what its for.
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| Quote j.c="j.c"vague is an understatement.
it sounds crazy that one body of people can ask another body of people for half a million pounds and not tell them exactly what its for.'"
It is for the re-capitalisation of the club. £500k would securen the future of the club and, in fairness, they are giving the club away for that money.
The details of exactly what the position is would only become fully known to those who sign confidentiality agreements and continue the due diligence process - which takes a long time!
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| Quote Slugger McBatt="Slugger McBatt"I think the club needs to be more upfront about what they need the money for. The deadline suggests it is an immediate need for the cash rather than general operating funds, and in which case, if the 500K is destined for a specific issue, whatever that may be, what happens when the next crisis comes along? The current BoD will be able to say "your problem now" and we will have all kissed goodbye to our cash.
If the club can say what the money is for, they may get some of mine, but it all sounds very vague. Saving the club is one thing. Merely postponing it's demise another.'"
My feelings exactly; the information that's been provided so far is simply not sufficient to justify parting with a grand - it looks cobbled together and does not create the impression that this is a very well thought out scheme.
Furthermore, the question posed by vikinggriff above is a very good one; if there are existing shares from the previous issue that remain unsold, why the need to devalue them further with a new batch of shares, aswell as excluding smaller investors by insisting on blocks of £1k? On that subject - the suggestion that syndicates could club together to buy a block is rather undermined by the 'benefits' that have been announced; are those people meant to share their preferential seat at NM for example? Do they *all* get to go to SH meetings and events, or do they have to take it in turns? If they all get a seat and an invite, why would I bother investing 1k when I can get 5 x the benefits for myself and four of my friends and family, for 200 quid apiece?
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| The relevant question here is:-
"How much does the existance of Wakefield Trinity mean to you and how important is it in your life - and is that
worth £1000?
If it is then find a way ... whether it is getting together with a few others to make up the money or change/cut back on a few things, raiding the 'piggy bank' whatever.
Too late when the Club is no more - and trust me it is that important to raise the money, so where, why and to whom really doesn't come into the equation
I certainly know my answers!
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| Quote Catwoman1="Catwoman1"The relevant question here is:-
"How much does the existance of Wakefield Trinity mean to you and how important is it in your life - and is that
worth £1000?
If it is then find a way ... whether it is getting together with a few others to make up the money or change/cut back on a few things, raiding the 'piggy bank' whatever.
Too late when the Club is no more - and trust me it is that important to raise the money, so where, why and to whom really doesn't come into the equation
I certainly know my answers!'"
its nowhere near that simple and it is irresponsible of people of people to try and paint it as such, people should make this decision without any pressure, you probably know enough to make the decision based on your own finances but i would not advocate a "dig for britain" approach here, because the full facts are not in the public domain yet it is the public who are being asked for cash.
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| Quote TRB="TRB"It is for the re-capitalisation of the club. £500k would securen the future of the club and, in fairness, they are giving the club away for that money.
The details of exactly what the position is would only become fully known to those who sign confidentiality agreements and continue the due diligence process - which takes a long time!'"
Although "recapitalisation" sounds fancy, isn't it just raising money buy flogging more shares? So it doesn't answer what the money is for. Does "securing the future of the club" mean warding off an imminent threat, or does it mean that it will provide sufficient extra funds for general running costs? The former sounds like a grand to postpone the inevitable, whereas the latter sounds fine.
But the cloak and dagger stuff doesn't fill me with confidence, because the confidentiality stuff sounds like they want my cash but won't tell me why until they've got it.
Not having a go, because I'm prepared to hand over the cash if I think it will genuinely secure the club, but it's not been sold well to me at the moment.
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| Why not put funds into a fans trust and let the club and boards debts enter administration then buy it out for a pittance and be debt free? Being honest can you see SL bid being accepted? And how much of 500k needed to clear debt which could be better used?
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| Quote chapster="chapster"its nowhere near that simple and it is irresponsible of people of people to try and paint it as such, people should make this decision without any pressure, you probably know enough to make the decision based on your own finances but i would not advocate a "dig for britain" approach here, because the full facts are not in the public domain yet it is the public who are being asked for cash.'"
I'm sorry but in the end it is that simple - raise the money we have a club, don't raise it we haven't!
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| Quote J20="J20"Why not put funds into a fans trust and let the club and boards debts enter administration then buy it out for a pittance and be debt free? Being honest can you see SL bid being accepted? And how much of 500k needed to clear debt which could be better used?'"
Almost exactly the point I made last night and if this were the intention, I'd be more inclined to cough up; I can't shake the niggling feelling that under the terms (such as they are) of the current scheme, our collective 'investments' will go towards clearing historical debt and paying off BoD members and associated hangers-on and that in a matter of months, the club would be up the same creek without the required propulsion implement.
The above would ensure that wasn't the case.
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| Quote Catwoman1="Catwoman1"I'm sorry but in the end it is that simple - raise the money we have a club, don't raise it we haven't!'"
which is again not fully true, unless you know a hell of a lot more detail than i do.
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| Quote bren2k="bren2k"Almost exactly the point I made last night and if this were the intention, I'd be more inclined to cough up; I can't shake the niggling feelling that under the terms (such as they are) of the current scheme, our collective 'investments' will go towards clearing historical debt and paying off BoD members and associated hangers-on and that in a matter of months, the club would be up the same creek without the required propulsion implement.
The above would ensure that wasn't the case.'"
Correct.
Also the administration could not be a factor in kicking us out of SL as it could be overturned because of the Crusaders issue.Plus there's a few others very near admin as well.
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