The players have to take some responsibility naturally, but Kear is far from blameless in all of this. The performances really went downhill after the Catalans job debacle and the Bradford job rumours.

It would be very interesting to see whether performances would have improved had we got shut when we had the chance.

bet its lovely and warm in france

actually i disagree, the players like the fans lost faith after the brough debacle, "the best deal for wakefield" etc etc, total crap.

the best deal for wakefield would have benn to sell him pre season, and yes his circumstances were known then.

or not sign newton and or jefferies (3 year deal) and add their salary to broughs, rocket science eh?????????????

I definitely agree the Brough sale was the start of the downward spiral, but we weren't getting beaten week in week out conceding an average of 40 points in the couple of months after he left. That only happened when Kear stayed despite it being public knowledge he wanted out

I hope we do get the new stadium but Istill do not think it is the answer to most of our problems.The main at must happen to the club is that they keep their super league status because if we do not Idread to think what the crowd will be in the championship evevith the new stadium.If the bod had been on the terraces they woiuld shudder if they knew how many people will just walk away from the club if we end up the championship.

iI have no problem with top being able to sign the top stars that’s life but I do expect to see us bringing our junior players in and developing them into stars EG Ellis Westwood Brough having done that the next stage is to keep them
Starting with Murphy

I dont think that Brough leaving was the problem. We played our best 10 minuits of rugby THIS SEASON when he was sin binned away at Hull KR.

The problem for me is the fact that Kear cant seem to inspire the players anymore. We have played well in four games since the catalans link. They were Leeds at Murryfield and Headingley who we always seem to perform against, Quins at home who we always seem to beat at home and Crusaders away wher they had nothing to Loose and i think anybody could have motivated us to play against them. So i think that it is clear that Kear cannot motivate the team and i think that it is because the players know that he wants out. This means that i think it is time to get rid of Kear and bring in a new coach.

As for letting players go, i have a different opinion to most. Players are ambitious and will want to win things and unfortunatly this will probably not happen at wakey so players leaving for bigger clubs who are in the running to win things i don't have a problem with. However players such as Snitch and Fox who have left for clubs of a similar stature to ours is where i have a problem. I think that the club should be able to hold on to these sort of players and i blame the BOD for this.

That is just not right. The club - as we all wanted - tried to offer Brough a deal to keep him at BV. The deal would have started in 2011 - and it wasn't what Brough wanted, so off he went. If he'd signed we would have still had Jeffries and Newton (ban excepted) and we've have been a better side. At the start of the season it was still felt that we could get him to sign.

There is no rocket science in keeping this club going - just business, and we still have one and stand at the dawn of a bright new tomorrow - but don't let that spoil the wailing and gnashing of teeth!

Who is this hardcore who will let the club do what they want? What action are you suggesting for us all to have 'one voice'? For everybody just to stop going? Not evrybodies position is as black and white as your postings seem to suggest. It's not as simple as for Kear or against Kear or for Ted or against Ted there are many grey areas inbetween and as mentioned above what we as fans can actually do about it.

I guess on here I would be considered pro Kear and the club just because I don't believe that Kear is a double agent sent to destroy us from within! I am very critical of the way the club is run and the amateur set up we have in many areas but as I don't know the ins and outs of the finances of the club and of any potential change in ownership I feel pretty powerless do anything about it save from stop going which doesn't really help in my opinion. As for Kear I would still give him next season to try and sort it out I still believe he has earnt that right. However I do understand why people have decided that enough is enough this season as the performances have been terrible and therefore I could understand if Kear was replaced at the end of the season. My only problem with this for me is back to Ted and co and do I trust them to make the right appointment and I don't I just know they will go for the cheapest option possible which could make things even worse, though I accept it couldn't get much worse! So the problem again comes to the ownership of the club but as I say above what are the alternatives and waht can we do about it?

The other thing is it's easy to have snide digs at Vastman for only coming on when things are going well but I'd take one Vastman over the scores of folk that only come on when things are going badly and seem to actually enjoy sticking the boot and I sense want us to lose so they can come on and bitch and moan about how terrible things are. If you think I have any wish to stand side by side and have one voice with such people then you are sadly mistaken.

Could not agree with you more, especially the bottom part.

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No he bloody well IS NOT !!!