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| Quote: Disney cat "Ok then no shelter at one end.You will also notice I didn't say we had a stand down one side also.So I am not picking on Cas.
You also have the Benidorm Flats too, so that's two.
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| Quote: Disney cat "The country is on it's booty no matter what the politicians say. And the RFL are when all said & done threatening all clubs that don't make their criteria on grounds to build a new stadia
DC, I understand what you are saying, but we Wakefield have bull crapped our way into SL on some promises which we did not keep, and we have had many a year to get it sorted, this is not a surprise, this was known for years, and if we fail and get kicked out of SL, then we deserve it more than any other club.
The rules are there, like em or not, but our pi55 pot approach to this over the last few years is the reason why we are in the brown sticky smelly stuff !
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| Quote: i8no-one "DC, I understand what you are saying, but we Wakefield have bull crapped our way into SL on some promises which we did not keep, and we have had many a year to get it sorted, this is not a surprise, this was known for years, and if we fail and get kicked out of SL, then we deserve it more than any other club.
The rules are there, like em or not, but our pi55 pot approach to this over the last few years is the reason why we are in the brown sticky smelly stuff !'"
I also see what you are saying but I think we all either in business or personally make promises we don't keep.I promise to loose weight every year but it doesn't happen
I have a business in Wakey and my customers promise to pay in 30 days but actually pay in 60 and then I have to promise my supplier when my customer pays me I will pay them it just go's on and on. It's not easy out there and if you have to make false promises to buy some time then you make them.
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| Quote: Disney cat "I also see what you are saying but I think we all either in business or personally make promises we don't keep.I promise to loose weight every year but it doesn't happen
eh? dont get the analagy? what we are saying here is we have some water and were told 3 years ago to go buy a bucket or the water would be given to someone else, we tried to buy a bucket but it had a hole in it, so we went of in search of a new non holey bucket thought wed found it only to be told that we had to share the bucket by the person who was paying for some of it.
much better, clearer than all that cashflow nonesense.
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Quote: i8no-one "DC, I understand what you are saying, but we Wakefield have bull crapped our way into SL on some promises which we did not keep, and we have had many a year to get it sorted, this is not a surprise, this was known for years, and if we fail and get kicked out of SL, then we deserve it more than any other club.
The rules are there, like em or not, but our pi55 pot approach to this over the last few years is the reason why we are in the brown sticky smelly stuff !'"
The "promise" that was broken is Thornes Park - and it wasn't the club that failed to deliver on that promise, it was WMDC.
In little over a year from the plug being pulled on TP, Trinity had identified a new site, found a developer and worked with them to develop the outline of what the stadium facilties would look like. Selective memories by various people turn what is actually a fantastic effort by the club into a tale of continued mis-management!!!
IMHO the impact of the withdrawal of WMDC's offer of land to help secure the finance package is nowhere near as drastic as it first appears (my admittedly lengthy post on the other thread explains this in more detail viewtopic.php?f=33&t=463017&start=465). The major obstacle in the way at the moment is planning permission. If we can get that, the new stadium at Newmarket WILL happen.
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Quote: i8no-one "DC, I understand what you are saying, but we Wakefield have bull crapped our way into SL on some promises which we did not keep, and we have had many a year to get it sorted, this is not a surprise, this was known for years, and if we fail and get kicked out of SL, then we deserve it more than any other club.
The rules are there, like em or not, but our pi55 pot approach to this over the last few years is the reason why we are in the brown sticky smelly stuff !'"
The "promise" that was broken is Thornes Park - and it wasn't the club that failed to deliver on that promise, it was WMDC.
In little over a year from the plug being pulled on TP, Trinity had identified a new site, found a developer and worked with them to develop the outline of what the stadium facilties would look like. Selective memories by various people turn what is actually a fantastic effort by the club into a tale of continued mis-management!!!
IMHO the impact of the withdrawal of WMDC's offer of land to help secure the finance package is nowhere near as drastic as it first appears (my admittedly lengthy post on the other thread explains this in more detail viewtopic.php?f=33&t=463017&start=465). The major obstacle in the way at the moment is planning permission. If we can get that, the new stadium at Newmarket WILL happen.
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| Quote: RDM "The "promise" that was broken is Thornes Park - and it wasn't the club that failed to deliver on that promise, it was WMDC.
In little over a year from the plug being pulled on TP, Trinity had identified a new site, found a developer and worked with them to develop the outline of what the stadium facilties would look like. Selective memories by various people turn what is actually a fantastic effort by the club into a tale of continued mis-management!!!
IMHO the impact of the withdrawal of WMDC's offer of land to help secure the finance package is nowhere near as drastic as it first appears (my admittedly lengthy post on the other thread explains this in more detail
The thing that's concerning me about this is that the council have delayed the planning decision until September, which just so happens to be the date that the land offer expires. It's almost as if they are covering their bases with any pending review. If both sites had outline it would make any decision that little bit more unpredictable.
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| I think everybody's pretty much accepted that GH is going to be chosen (although I expect a few to come out and say they're not giving up on Newmarket yet).
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| The official stance of Trinity is they will not move to GH regardless of what an unnecessary review says.
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| Quote: Khlav Kalash "The official stance of Trinity is they will not move to GH regardless of what an unnecessary review says.'"
Is that the official stance of the club or the official stance of SWAG? And what happens if the RFL reject Newmarket after? Where then?
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| Quote: Fully "I think everybody's pretty much accepted that GH is going to be chosen (although I expect a few to come out and say they're not giving up on Newmarket yet).'"
Given that BOTH proposals still appear to have their own problems and the various amounts of spin from both camps does nothing to clear this up I don't think that either proposal can really be considered to be the most likely "winner" at this stage.
Cas have got outline planning & Wakey have got outline funding. Cas don't appear to have the funding as yet & Wakey are waiting on the outcome of the planning application.
If the council want a feasibility study, then the key focus will be on what each proposal delivers to the district of Wakefield so that WMDC can appear to have delivered "value for money" from the "donation" of land to support any finance package. As there isn't the option of moving both developments to a location that would be a little more acceptable to both sets of fans (i.e. building a joint stdium at J31) I would be surprised if the feasibility study found Glasshoughton to be a better location for the district of Wakefield rather than Newmarket.
Like you Fully, I would still prefer to see both clubs have their own ground. I still believe this is possible and if the Newmarket proposal can finance itself without the land made available by WMDC there's no reason why this shouldn't happen. Cas would then have the use of the full £4m of land value to support their funding package (albeit that it wouldn't actually get you an extra £4m from the bank, more like £2.5m to £3m).
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| Quote: Fully "Is that the official stance of the club or the official stance of SWAG? And what happens if the RFL reject Newmarket after? Where then?'"
Sorry that should've said unofficial. It's definitely SWAG's position, and as the club have created a business plan for moving to GH and come to the conclusion it would be akin to suicide in the long term then it pretty much identifys their intent.
I don't think the RFL would reject NM, however, if you meant the council then I don't believe they would. Box concerned enough to remove the threat of NM getting outline by delaying matters till after his imposed deadline. Also the scheme meets the requirements of the districts needs, whether the public agree or not the council want the distribution units.
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| Yes, sorry, I meant council not RFL.
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| Richardson should have some of this money we have got rid of brough and tronc, newton with drugs we must have some money to put in to help i.e.to help reduce this 2 million we need . Questions should be asked if not.
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51886_1289658997.jpg [b:x70mwo3o]my girlfriend says i'm immature, and it's time we set aside one day a week so we can talk things through as adults.
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| Quote: newgroundb4cas "Richardson should have some of this money we have got rid of brough and tronc, newton with drugs we must have some money to put in to help i.e.to help reduce this 2 million we need . Questions should be asked if not.'"
Taxman and the iva will have taken care of that lot imo
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