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Before the flats were constructed the only hospitality we had was over the road at the Stoneleigh Hotel. They were a massive upgrade for us at the time and have been a money maker ever since.

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Quote: vastman "I’m told Ellis is bringing the seats back from last year. The logic being that the refurbishment of the Fox bar and the old clubhouse will make them viable.

JM wanted to keep them but MC was against it. He had a point as he wanted to fill the new East stand, and at the time that looked difficult even if we had stayed up.

I think that if we hit SL next year we will probably be at 80% capacity on the east stand for most games. Meaning that you could easily allow 500 extra seat in front of the boxes without affecting the east stand.

Would look better, give people a choice, add some modest capacity and all for very little outlay, win win. Also a four sided ground always pleases people.'"

I and a few hundred fans sat on those,seats,for almost 2 seasons when work started on demolition and rebuilding of East Stand, not a bad experience until it rains, sitting on wet seats and getting drenched is not fun, and I wouldn’t do it again,

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In principle the temp seats were good, but they will only be overflow from main stand.
I can't see anyone choosing them first.

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Quote: vastman "I’m told Ellis is bringing the seats back from last year. The logic being that the refurbishment of the Fox bar and the old clubhouse will make them viable.

JM wanted to keep them but MC was against it. He had a point as he wanted to fill the new East stand, and at the time that looked difficult even if we had stayed up.

I think that if we hit SL next year we will probably be at 80% capacity on the east stand for most games. Meaning that you could easily allow 500 extra seat in front of the boxes without affecting the east stand.

Would look better, give people a choice, add some modest capacity and all for very little outlay, win win. Also a four sided ground always pleases people.'"



At a forum he mentioned terracing not seating be interesting to see how it pans out

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Quote: REDWHITEANDBLUE "At a forum he mentioned terracing not seating be interesting to see how it pans out'"


I was going to say it would be better to have basic standing terracing instead of seating there.

Wasn’t their initial some plans to link it to the first floor of the flats?

You could add 500 or so standing and access into the bar area for refreshments.

That extra 500 or so would be full come the matches against Leeds, Cas and maybe the odd other.

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Quote: Trojan Horse "I was going to say it would be better to have basic standing terracing instead of seating there.

Wasn’t their initial some plans to link it to the first floor of the flats?

You could add 500 or so standing and access into the bar area for refreshments.

That extra 500 or so would be full come the matches against Leeds, Cas and maybe the odd other.'"


Problem is that seating is far cheaper than seats, I know it sounds odd but it’s true and significantly so. You can do temp seating, not sure you can terracing, but might be wrong.

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Quote: vastman "Problem is that seating is far cheaper than seats, I know it sounds odd but it’s true and significantly so. You can do temp seating, not sure you can terracing, but might be wrong.'"


If it’s far cheaper then that’s fair enough. It would make sense.

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Quote: vastman "Problem is that seating is far cheaper than seats, I know it sounds odd but it’s true and significantly so. You can do temp seating, not sure you can terracing, but might be wrong.'"


Seating is cheaper than seats?

You've lost me.

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Quote: dboy "Seating is cheaper than seats?

You've lost me.'"


I guess he means to make that flat piece of concrete in to terrace requires a lot of building up, so reasonably skilled labour and a lot of materials.
Temporary seating is bought as is and plonked on the floor with no alterations

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Quote: dboy "Seating is cheaper than seats?

You've lost me.'"


Lost myself, I meant temp seating is cheaper than terracing.

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Quote: PopTart "I guess he means to make that flat piece of concrete in to terrace requires a lot of building up, so reasonably skilled labour and a lot of materials.
Temporary seating is bought as is and plonked on the floor with no alterations'"


Correct.

Also the flats themselves are temporary constructions with no real foundations. So building a permanent terrace right up to them may be problematic. Maybe I’m wrong and there is a way, but what I do know is that temp seating is cheap to buy and install and because it would be fairly shallow would have very few safety requirements. Terracing would need to be far stronger, need crush barriers etc.

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Quote: vastman "Correct.

Also the flats themselves are temporary constructions with no real foundations. So building a permanent terrace right up to them may be problematic. Maybe I’m wrong and there is a way, but what I do know is that temp seating is cheap to buy and install and because it would be fairly shallow would have very few safety requirements. Terracing would need to be far stronger, need crush barriers etc.'"


Fair point. I did wonder if crush barriers may be an issue but some of the points you make about it being cheaper make sense.

Ultimately if we can increase capacity by a few hundred then this should get utilised for our big games vs likes of Leeds etc when I expect we will sell out.

Talking about seats actually. You may know but I had a brief look at the handbook recently and it mentioned that hospitality is to have a physical barrier to receive points…

Our hospitality seating has no physical barrier as such however it is separated by a walkway. I’m just wondering if this is classed as a physical barrier being a break in the seating?

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Quote: Trojan Horse "Fair point. I did wonder if crush barriers may be an issue but some of the points you make about it being cheaper make sense.

Ultimately if we can increase capacity by a few hundred then this should get utilised for our big games vs likes of Leeds etc when I expect we will sell out.

Talking about seats actually. You may know but I had a brief look at the handbook recently and it mentioned that hospitality is to have a physical barrier to receive points…

Our hospitality seating has no physical barrier as such however it is separated by a walkway. I’m just wondering if this is classed as a physical barrier being a break in the seating?'"


I remember JM talking about that. It doesn't need to be major fixed wall. Just something to identify the difference. I'd guess we'd put hand rails down the side if needed

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Quote: PopTart "I remember JM talking about that. It doesn't need to be major fixed wall. Just something to identify the difference. I'd guess we'd put hand rails down the side if needed'"


Thanks PT.

Leaving that one a bit late in the day. Would be a shame if we dropped points on a simple barrier like that. Maybe because we haven’t done it we perhaps don’t need to or maybe it’s something in the pipeline. I suppose you could put a few posts up and have a connecting chain running fl down the sides for a very cheap option. You could open and close it off when needed I guess.

I suppose the club would need to know what img define as a physical barrier. If it’s a physical gap, stewards enforcing then that’s easily done but if it is in fact something tangible then I would think Ellis would be all over that.

Just always wondered as would be a shame to lose points on something we actually have but for a technicality.

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I agree.

I know they have opportunities to meet RFL to discuss so hopefully it's all under control.
Personally I'd allocate IMG strategy to someone as a role, not just Ellis looking. He's a busy guy and this needs someone in the detail.

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