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You can disagree with me all you wish, but when you clearly don't or can't read a post before you do it's frankly annoying.

Try reading it again, be the big lad not just his mate and admit you may have misread it (and I'm being kind) and say sorry.

I've had to do it myself in the past and it won't kill you, trust me.

Truly pathetic.

7 games that mean nothing now. This is this season and we have 25 rounds of SL to go. No matter how much people moan on here I doubt anything will change. Carter things Agar is a good coach and I agree - just get behind the lads.

Don't get your Kear comments, he's no dinosaur and frankly still has more coaching ability in his left toe than most SL coaches. John Kears simply had enough and who can blame him.

As for the rest of your comments fair enough. However I used the word gut feeling, and my gut feeling says disaster this season if we don't act soon - and by that I don't mean it has to be Agars head, though I fail to see any other way.

To me this feels just like 2006 and I don't think the club could survive another one of those.

Come on Vasty. You started a really good thread but then started getting stroppy with the people who have different opinion.

Personally I don't agree with you.
I think Agar has done a decent job considering where the club has been.

Of course we are all upset about the Bradford game but for every one of those games that was disappointing we have had some great games under Agar. The run to the playoffs was indeed because of Bradford's points deduction but that doesn't mean we didn't do well to get to 9th and put ourselves in that position. Hull KR didn't do it. Neither did Cas.
Equally last year, we had a good chance of doing the same with the two games against Leeds being s close to getting us there. The players put a massive effort in but it wasn't just them, just the same as the loss is not just the players fault.

One of the credits I give Agar is that the players always talk highly of him. Even those that leave don't slag him off. Even John Kear for whom I have I have the greatest respect, was slagged off by some of the players.
When you say the team isn't his team, I only see that caused by the change in the team rather than their bond with him.

Personally, as said above I think this is too early to call.
Morrison is a very good choice as a future Wakefield coach. I'd probably pick him over many others in the game right now. I thought if Kear had kept his job that Morrison would some day take over. But if we did get him, he would I think aim to build a club like Agar is trying to do rather than win some short term games.

So I'd rather keep him and see how things go. There is a long way to go in this season and personally I think Castleford, Hull KR, Widnes all think a bit too much of themselves and that we and Bradford could easily place above them by the end of the season.
We shall see.

You can't just pick out a losing streak as evidence that Agar is not up to it
SLXVII - 13 wins in 27 = 48%
SLXVIII - 10 wins in 27 = 37%
Not the same as 1 out of 7.

I'd like better of course this year but it's going to be a slow start with so many new players.

I don't agree; the modern game got away from him and the brand of rugby we played towards the end of his tenure was, quite frankly, turgid.

Jesus wept I'm not being stroppy as regards their opinion just that they didn't read the post. I'd understand it if I'd put "Sack Agar he's crap" but I didn't did I!

True but then if you remember he had no money, no players and no time to prepare - so Agar gives you exactly the same for exactly the same reasons and he's ok, interesting

I think that was probably the most fair OP I've read for a while to be honest - especially from Vasty who I think at times can interpret things how he wants rather than how is intended (no offence mate)

I'm gonna go out there and say it, but I think you've been told you're struggling that often that you believe it too religiously.

I'd say this is the best squad RA has had at his disposal - and for that reason my opinion is that he shouldn't be sacked based on previous season's form.

I think that the tub should be emptied as far as Ra is concerned this season - as it has been throughout the rest of the club.

2 games in with a newly bonding squad, you would have to start from scratch all over again.

Would it be a bigger disaster to stick by his last month's work, or to throw that all away for something fresh?

To me, the worst case scenario is you pay Agar off - bring in (for example) Morrison, and still only be on 4 points after 10 games.

There's no rosy solution, so I would stand by what RA is in the process of doing to build this squad as a unit

Vasty

I think you make some valid points, however the sacking of Agar is nothing more than an academic discussion.
The jury is still out for me, but if we get to a point we have played 6 lost 6 then I may be in favour of seeing a change of coach.

However for Agar to be sacked it would need someone running the club to actually come to that opinion and that's the problem. I don't think we have anybody in the club who would know a good coach from a bad one. The people in charge are quite new to the game and still have much to learn rugby wise. Other than Kath who allowed Agar to continue at Hull ,who at the club is going to realise he is actually a bad coach?