Based upon his performances this season, he does deserve to keep his place in the squad.

However, having Moore in the squad would speed up our play around the play the ball.

Someone on this board recently mentioned about quality sides having creative players in more positions, than just the half backs.

What about him playing at 13

I think the pressure in on Sio at the moment. That is a healthy position to be in!

I would imagine as the season goes on injuries may dictate who plays where and we could end up with all 3 on the field together.

Quote: ScrummingJumper "Howarth in the halves? Not sure if this is a wind up similar to your annakin in the centres line'" I can't work out whether people like you are thick or ignorant or both. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Howarth Has played many games at S/O and a lot of them were when he was with us in his first stint. Now I'm not suggesting he's the best in SL but then none of our players have that tag do they. However within the confines of Trinity's limited squad he's a chuffing magician. No similarity with Anakin at all as in this case S/O is hone of this versatile players normal positions. Talk about a ludite pre-concieved mentality. Another post states he's slow - is he? Seems to find the try line quick enough. Miller is quick and accodring to people like you, and I have to laugh (based on current form), a half back - if he is a H/B then Anakin is Greg Inglis. It's speed of thought not speed of leg that counts and many a good S/O has not been especially quick in that department. The games moved on mate in case you have not noticed and the difference between a decent No9 and a decent S/O or S/H is what exactly? They are pretty much the same except that the No9 tackles more and if anything is a bit more important to the way the team plays. So no it's hardly a wind up is it

Quote: ScrummingJumper "Howarth in the halves? Not sure if this is a wind up similar to your annakin in the centres line'" I can't work out whether people like you are thick or ignorant or both. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Howarth Has played many games at S/O and a lot of them were when he was with us in his first stint. Now I'm not suggesting he's the best in SL but then none of our players have that tag do they. However within the confines of Trinity's limited squad he's a chuffing magician. No similarity with Anakin at all as in this case S/O is hone of this versatile players normal positions. Talk about a ludite pre-concieved mentality. Another post states he's slow - is he? Seems to find the try line quick enough. Miller is quick and accodring to people like you, and I have to laugh (based on current form), a half back - if he is a H/B then Anakin is Greg Inglis. It's speed of thought not speed of leg that counts and many a good S/O has not been especially quick in that department. The games moved on mate in case you have not noticed and the difference between a decent No9 and a decent S/O or S/H is what exactly? They are pretty much the same except that the No9 tackles more and if anything is a bit more important to the way the team plays. So no it's hardly a wind up is it

Tansey has proved in pre-season he is not a half back.

I'm happy to progress with Miller. He has done a great job in defence in both organising, sweeping up and one on one tackling.
He had a few runs against Rovers but just couldn't get the space. It will come on the dryer grounds and when our forwards get quick play the ball.
He should stay.

Hall in my opinion has skills, but we would be adding a weak tackler in to the team when we have only just sorted that out.

Howarth I don't mind as cover at SO. I'd rather put him with Miller though so we don't have two slow half backs but I don't think Vasty is wrong. Howarth has the skills, just not the speed.

If through his performances Tansey proved in pre-season that he is not a halfback then has Miller not done then same so far as his showings have been just as underwhelming? Sorry but i saw no real attacking improvement in him on sunday although i agree his defensive efforts were very good. As i said i am willing to stick with him for now but we need more from him than 3 or 4 decent runs outs on dry tracks a year, our ourseas players are vital to us and we have to have more than we are getting from a halfback. If there is no improvement then we will have to look elsewhere, do i truly think Tansey is the answer, no probably not. But neither probably is Hall for the defensive reason you stated or Howarth for his lack of speed alongside the equally pedestrian Finn. Howarth may work alongside a quicker player as the 'thinking man' should Finn be injured but as you say not as a pairing. Max Jowitt has played occasional game at 6 in the academy but his best position is fullback, along with Hall, Tansey, BJB, and arguably at times last year Miller. The squad has a major imbalance and if things don't pick up soon we somehow need to look to move someone on, maybe one of Hall or Tansey, in order to try and get a stand off in, possibly using our last non-fed place. Whether anyone would take them and pay their wages to enable this to happen is another matter.

Vasty, no need for the name calling. Stand by your point rather than putting others down.

Sacred Cow, you make a good point and I'd be happy to bring in someone else, but with what we have Miller is my first choice SO, probably Hall is second, Tansey is an emergency and Howarth is a stand in if we have a problem during the game.

Not sure of the point your trying to make here, having criticised Miller you've then put forward the names of Hall, Howarth, Jowitt, BJB, and then ruled them out because of their individual short comings, but you'd be tempted to put Tansey in Millers place despite no specific reason for it and then admitting he is not the answer but as you say Howarth is too slow and Hall can't tackle, yet as say Miller can do both.

well said

The point being the style of players they are as opposed to the others mentioned. Miller and Tansey have the same style in the halves, where their game is based around footwork, speed and support play. Whether Tansey would do a better job than Miller is the debate and yes i have my doubts but if Miller continues to under-perform with the ball then it may well be worth trying out to see without having to change the whole system in place. Defensively they are similar, Miller has improved a lot recently recently but remember at times last season he looked like he couldn't tackle a hot dinner let alone anyone else so isn't infallible. Whilst you don't tend to pick a halfback for his defensive quality the have to be able to hold their own and both can to a similar level imho its just the attack that is failing. We have scored just 6 tries in 3 games, 3 of which have been from Howarth running from dummy half from inside the 10 meters. We may need to try something different soon and for me Finn has to stay so Miller is the one under threat. It can be all rendered immaterial though if Miller picks his game up and starts performing over the next couple of weeks.

At this moment in time I don't see how Howarth could be any worse an option than Miller. Sure he might be slow but Sykes and Smith weren't exactly quick.

3 games isn't long enough for a player to prove themselves but it's a pretty good platform to build on.
He's doing the basics right, his tackle count is going up with each game, I don't know what else you want or expect from Howarth?
As for who I would leave out when all three are fit, Howarth has already been given the 'nod' over Sio for the starting role.
Moore will be coming back from injury and will need to start off the bench.
The decision between Sio and Moore is BS's.
So unless Howarth slacks off or gets injured, it's Howarth starting until further notice.
It must disappoint you that your pre season, without a ball being kicked or passed 'scapegoat', is proving your expert eye wrong so far.
I will be back for a mid season assessment, as I think that we will end up going round in circles at the moment.