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| Quote: MatthewTrin "You answer me this question first. Why did the vast majority of Germans support Adolf Hitler in expanding Germanic living space across Europe and other parts of the world?'"
Because some were sold a dream of elitism and most would have been shot if they didn't.
I don't see the relevance.
Answering my question with a different irrelevant question is hardly convincing anyone of your claims. I'm a bit disappointed to be honest.
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| Quote: MatthewTrin "You answer me this question first. Why did the vast majority of Germans support Adolf Hitler in expanding Germanic living space across Europe and other parts of the world?'"
That wasn't a conspiracy, it was following Hitler's ideology.
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| Quote: MatthewTrin "Who on this thread is claiming this virus is fake? No one is disputing the existence of the virus but rather the handling of it. It's a fake pandemic propped up by the mainstream media, celebrities, multi national corporations and politicians.
As for India, lets compare this to the UK.
UK population - 67,868,549
UK total COVID cases - 294,375
UK Deaths - 41,662
UK Deaths per 1M - 614
India population - 1,379,307,780
India total COVID cases - 317,368
India Deaths - 9,109
India Deaths per 1M - 7
That's 7 deaths per 1 million people! Nothing alarms me about that figure to shut down the economy and to run for the hills in fear. In fact the UK are doing far worst than India.
Excess deaths are easily explainable
1) Ending emergency treatment - Health care capacity was idiotically reduced. Typically it runs between 80-95% capacity all year round. As you can imagine they are dealing with "saving the lives" of some very sick and vulnerable people. In addition most A&E departments are swamped with new patients 24/7 365 days a year. At the beginning of the lockdown the aim by the so called top boffins was to "protect the NHS". In practice this meant chucking half of the very sick people back into their homes to die alone or for the sick elderly back into a care home. This awful policy helped reduce the NHS capacity by 40%, thus allowing a vast sum of people to die by refusing to treat any new sick people that didn't relate to COVID19 symptoms. Furthermore the elderly too sick to go back home were encouraged to sign a 'do not resuscitate form' so the hospital staff could spend time and resource on caring for the "young sufferers". No large sums of young people ever went to hospital as any sensible doctor knows that young people don't suffer complications with this virus. Note 57% of the total COVID deaths relate to people registered to care homes. How the MSM love to push their agenda to protect the establishment by focusing on the "racist virus" that disappointingly targets the BAEM Society over "White Privileged" people. This is the same MSM that take money from the Government to cover up their scandalous behavior.
2) Over treatment - Italy and Chinese doctors were spreading incorrect information regarding ventilators. Remember the headlines "get ready, make ventilators" all fake news and the hospitals bought into it. Ventilators it turns out are extremely dangerous as they only give a patient 34% survival rate.
3) Care homes and hospitals were ill prepared and historically aren't clean. Remember the scandals over the recent years regarding MRSA and the norovirus? The same problem occurred with COVID, patients being admitted to hospital with other serious illnesses were contracting the virus in the hospitals. These places are a breeding ground for disease. In closer quarters viral loads spread far greater between doctors, nurses and patients than in any other setting. This problem was compounded by the initial lack of PPE that helped spread the virus rife through hosiptals and care homes. The lack of PPE was caused by the NHS setting up a private arm to profit from the sale of millions of PPE overseas. So much for "Sir" Matt Hancocks pledge to "save lives".
4) You do realise the COVID figurs are exaggerated? The actual number of people in England and Wales that have died in hospitals specially of COVID19 in reality is 1,318. The other deaths were recorded as dying in hospital with recorded comorbidities on their file and also having being tested positive for the infection and not necessarily the disease . If you rewind back to the 2017/18 (Dec to Mar) winter season there was over 50,000 excess deaths for this period. That was achieved without hospital and surgery closures and was later blamed on the seasonal flu that killed 26,000 people in England alone. Imagine if they closed the hospitals the excess deaths for this period could have doubled. Imagine if they'd done some serious testing on the scale of COVID testing. I'm sure with a few multiple testing kits they could have doubled it to 52,000 flu deaths by tracing for a fragment of the infection. Where was the outrage from you back then?
5) Seasonal Flu 2019/20 5 year low - 8,000 deaths were recorded as deaths with flu complications. This effectively allowed a carry over of potential targets of the flu to instead become a target for the deadlier COVID19. With COVID we don't obviously have an effective vaccine which puts those vaccinated by the flu at a much higher risk.
Miro can you add to this as you appear more knowledgeable on the data than me?'"
If there are as few deaths in India then, why are hospitals closing their doors.
It's fair to say that there is a significant lag in recording the numbers, maybe it's a conspiracy to hide the truth
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| Quote: PopTart "I still don't see your point.
You are effectively saying most of the major countries in the world, the media in each of those countries, major businesses from different countries and the opposing politicians in each country are all getting together to keep us frightened and submissive?
And a couple of people on RLFans, a nurse in NY who is now a journalist, and a couple of UK doctors.... And I assume some others I've missed know the secret.
All I can say is it hasn't worked. I'm still working. My wife is supported financially by the government who is trying to frighten my, the air is cleaner and I don't have to put up with people who don't understand personal space.
The downside is, no sport, no holidays for a few months. Apart from all the crap I've bought from Amazon I've saved money and NRL has started to the sport bit hurts slightly less.
Whether you are right or wrong the same number of people have died whether someone has mislabelled the deaths or not.
What's the point of the conspiracy?'"
It's been explained to you on here, I don't think you do much reading, do you?
Your wife is not supported by the government. She is being supported by the thousands of people who will have to endure the further years of austerity, people a lot worse off than you. Like the people losing their jobs in the pub industry if the industry is to be believed that we are on course to see 50% of pubs closing because of this comfort "[ithe air is cleaner"[/i blanket you are wrapping yourself up in. . By the way, that was on the telley yesterday so it must be true.
Finally, Yeah, yeah, just a nurse in NY, couple of people on RL Fans and a couple of doctors. Yep, that's all there is. I tell you this though, they have provided more evidence, right or wrong, in one post than you have in dozens. I say, spend less time on Amazon and do some digging, you will be surprised.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "If there are as few deaths in India then, why are hospitals closing their doors.
It's fair to say that there is a significant lag in recording the numbers, maybe it's a conspiracy to hide the truth
Is that it? Is that your response to a well thought out piece of research.
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| I'd urge anyone to go watch Premier League Woke by Ex Army Paz. Watch from 10:20. If the leaflet is genuine then the BLM is an extremely dangerous organization to be a part of.
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| Quote: Miro "Is that it? Is that your response to a well thought out piece of research.
You are happy to accuse the whole world of bias but, then absolutely be glued to a few people who may have an different motive.
Sorry but, they/you haven't convinced me.
Fundamentally, just about every nation on the planet has used a similar response to Covid, nations of very different people and very different politics and yet, the "evidence" from a few people on line has convinced you that the rest of the world is wrong and that there is some worldwide conspiracy.
You, like I are fully entitled to your opinion and you may turn out to be right but, for now, I believe that you may be on the wrong side.
I guess that time will tell.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "You are happy to accuse the whole world of bias but, then absolutely be glued to a few people who may have an different motive.
Sorry but, they/you haven't convinced me.
Fundamentally, just about every nation on the planet has used a similar response to Covid, nations of very different people and very different politics and yet, the "evidence" from a few people on line has convinced you that the rest of the world is wrong and that there is some worldwide conspiracy.
You, like I are fully entitled to your opinion and you may turn out to be right but, for now, I believe that you may be on the wrong side.
I guess that time will tell.'"
If old Adolph had succeeded in his plans I'm sure you would have given full approval. After all, the "whole world" would have been erecting statues to the guy.
Lets see, what else does the "whole world do". Hey, how about pollution for starters. Must be right to do all crap, that yes?
Yes you are entitled to your opinion but please do some research outside of the BBC, ITV, SKY, the SUN etc.
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| Quote: MatthewTrin "I'd urge anyone to go watch Premier League Woke by Ex Army Paz. Watch from 10
Yes because it was the BLM going around fighting police, ing on graves and spitting on people having picnics yesterday
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| Quote: Miro "If old Adolph had succeeded in his plans I'm sure you would have given full approval. After all, the "whole world" would have been erecting statues to the guy.
Lets see, what else does the "whole world do". Hey, how about pollution for starters. Must be right to do all crap, that yes?
Yes you are entitled to your opinion but please do some research outside of the BBC, ITV, SKY, the SUN etc.'"
Come on Miro. You can do better. I was starting to thing you had a good but different argument going.
Using Hitler as a justification for anything is a bit poor really.
He didn't succeed because the rest of the world didn't agree with his plans.
And I'm pretty sure there are no public statues to pollution.
Where should we do our research? I genuinely want to know.
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| I will be honest like many on here I would think, have no idea with regards the history of the majority of those depicted in statues. I don’t agree with their desecration but I do think where necessary a plaque is placed showing the individuals history. This should then enlighten all if they are interested.
With regards Churchill I was aware of his shortcomings particularly with regards the sacrificing of others starting from sailors in the First World War to passengers on the Lusitania.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "If there are as few deaths in India then, why are hospitals closing their doors.
It's fair to say that there is a significant lag in recording the numbers, maybe it's a conspiracy to hide the truth
Can I just check your "facts" and understanding of this crisis? I try to avoid as much of the mainstream as I can so please excuse me if I've misinterpreted their narrative.
We are in the midst of a "health crisis" and it's in no way connected to political, social or economic reform. If those three factors come about it's merely collateral damage or an indirect accidental consequence of COVID19.
The reason you know this to be true is because unlike the rest of history we are not following any organistations that have financial stakes, unelected tyrannically rulers or political parties with an agenda i.e.you might argue these factors affected the Iraq War in 2003 or the financial crash in 2009 but not in this case. This time it's completely different because we are not being led by corrupt politicians but by the "world scientists" roughly around 99% consensus from them arguing we need to protect the worlds population against this virus.
The virus itself began in China, a province of Hubei, in a wet market, in a city called Wuhan that also happens to have a laboratory that studies viruses in bats. However the virus started in the market and not the lab because "scientists" say so. It's said that a bunch of disgusting people in China have cultural habits of consuming bat soup hence the outbreak was a result of those people.
The virus is a highly infectious respiratory disease like the cold or flu and with symptoms similar to the cold and flu but it's not a cold or flu. Initially there was no worry of human to human contact. But the worlds "scientists" changed their minds in January as they confirmed it is spread from human to human contact like the cold or flu. Again though it's in no way comparable to the cold or flu more like Ebola maybe?
The virus suddenly decided to take flight out of Wuhan because it didn't settle in China and emigrated to every continent in the World except of course Antarctica. China declared victory after a few months they'd beaten the virus no more mass cluster cases in a country with a population of one and half billion people, 26th most dense country in the world which contains many mega cities. They recorded less than double digit infections per day and no outbreaks in any other province of China.
The virus then becomes the focus of the media and they highlight 24/7 news programmes that the Italian health care system across Italy was now overwhelmed by this virus. The vast majority of Italian hospitals are stretched to 100% capacity. The UK is now doomed and we are about to have to be prepared for the same disaster as experienced in Italy. Too late to close the borders as by this time it was already in the UK and the WHO had made a silly mistake by not knowing earlier that it was being spread from human to human. We all make mistakes. No point in closing the borders as the virus was here and we'd have to live with it.
In the meantime stories are being leaked out of supermarkets at weekend closing hours that one of the worlds raw materials toilet roll is now in short supply. Mass panic buying ensues by the public to make sure they buy enough before we run out of imported toilet roll.
Back to the virus, we are facing an infection mortality rate of similar proportion to that of the 1918 Spanish flu. This meant estimations from 3 - 10 people out of every 100 people infected by the virus was going to die. We know this to be true because the Government set up a committee of computer model scientists called SAGE using information supplied to them from a world health organisation called the WHO, organised by a one scientist per country representative system that aren't elected to a group think council. They are led by a non physican, a man who isn't a doctor, who wants to be referred to by his first name Tedros. The man they called Tedros is a highly reputable, trustworthy nice man that has never been involved in any medical scandal in his own county. He just wants to save everyones life.
Meanwhile in the UK a man called professor Neil Ferguson shared a study he'd put together using the same reliable computer modelling system he'd used to predict the swine flu crisis and Foot & Mouth Disease crisis. If we don't follow social distancing and lockdown all hospitals, schools and non essential business then over 500,000 people were going to die in 3 months. Boris in his infinite wisdom without checking if the study had been peer reviewed went ahead with this new plan because as they say it's better to be safe than sorry. Anyway into this crisis we began to discover some scandals the virus it turns out doesn't like celebrities, elite level footballers and anyone who is a member of parliament. Many were being interviewed about their horror stories of contracting the virus. Even worst for the nation of the UK the virus was racist as the majority of people that were dying came from a BAEM background! In fact many people began to die young children, babies, old, healthy and unhealthy people alike. In even worst news Piers Morgan was furious that over 100 NHS staff working on COVID19 wards were dying because they didn't have any PPE equipment. Overtime it was discovered that the two men that recommended the lockdown and implemented the lockdown strategy weren't really following it. One had to resign the other had to apologise. Then on 11th May the Government took measures to start easing the lockdown and opening things back up slowly. This was great because from easing the lockdown infections and deaths were falling in the UK considerably down from 900 a day to 200 a day. Easing the lockdown was working we are beating the virus. Then there was an ugly twist on May 25 the world was saddened as a KKK sympathising cop decided to randomly kill a black man because he was racist. George Floyd was a man of high social standing and was the only man to be murdered in the whole wide world on that day. In better news however we found out the virus had discovered a moral compass; if you join a BLM march, protest or riot in your thousands and don't adhere to social distancing the virus will spare you; it will not infect or kill you. We all know this to be true as the rate of announced infections and deaths in both the US and UK are falling considerably day by day. We are at a stage now where we must concentrate on racism, try to forget about the virus in Italian hospitals and to start wearing a face muzzle and sticking to social distancing unless you have an exemption of going on a mass protest to save black lives. It's quite simple we are saving lives and stamping out racism.
Have I got this right? Please educate me on your beliefs of what's happening in current events in case I've misunderstood your perspective.
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| Quote: Willzay "Yes because it was the BLM going around fighting police, ing on graves and spitting on people having picnics yesterday
Can you send me your source regarding the graves and picnics?
You obviously missed the BLM scenes in London last week lol
There is about as much chance as me taking a knee to a bunch of anti fascists as you have of me performing a salute to a bunch of fascists. ZERO
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| That's a lot of effort to avoid answering direct question MT.
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| Quote: Willzay "Yes because it was the BLM going around fighting police, ing on graves and spitting on people having picnics yesterday
Have you not watched the interview on YouTube yet, between the Talk Radio presenter and the BL Movements activist Garry McFarlane. Including some of his nut job ideas he wants to remove the police force, legalised drugs, have the black communities policing the streets and jut to prove he’s a fascist, he wants an 1917 Russian style revolution, 12.000.000, Russians are the estimated number who died then. God knows how many died killed by Stalin After WW2, Are these really the sort of people you support?
Just try YouTube, Mike asks black lives matter activist if they are proud to be British.”
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