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Shall we get it approved first before we start worrying about when it will be built? This isn't Richard Wright telling the Ponte and Cas Express it will be built next week. This is a developer talking about planning conditions with a planning inspector who represents the government. YCP displayed a letter stating the stadium would be the first thing to be built, and that building would start mid 2012, taking 59 weeks. Like others have already said, if has been agreed, the stadium is the first thing to be built, and there are doubts over whether finance is in place, whether the units can be filled, or whether it will sufficiently enable the built, it would have been raised sooner than yesterday, and if what YCP are saying isn't true, the planning inspector will sadly say thank you, but no thank you. At this moment in time, any discussion of a build commencing in mid 2012 is more than enough to peak my interest!!
Castleford don't want NM, and their reasons for not wanting NM are the very same reasons we don't want GH. We can butter it up however we like, claim "we want Castleford to get a new stadium", and "we look forward to continuing our rivalry", but sadly, and this is the fault of the RFL, the missing part to both those statements is ", if we get our new stadium first". Whoever builds that stadium first will build themselves a future. Those that don't will either be forced to bite the bullet and cross the border to share that new facility, or face the prospect of living out their days alone.
The problem with the current discussion is that the focus has now shifted from will we get to build, and is now ed more on when will we get to build. Anyone would think we had already been granted approval. The news of "build-out", or a need to pre-let units prior to build only fuel our insecurities. It is not out of the realms of possibility that the units have already been pre let. Unfortunately the inbuilt nature and carcasses of a thousand failed stadium attempts automatically triggers the negative in Wakefield fans. The scaremongering of a few amber shaded individuals and suddenly all the optimism built up from the start of the PI starts to waiver. It's time to think positive. This could happen. When, will be confirmed at the time a SoS decision is confirmed. Until then, stop fretting, and get behind instead of questioning the developer. It's a miracle we have one at all.
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You have now also reached infamy with a mention on the propaganda board..
Re: Breaking News RE: Newmarket Inquiry
Postby townvilletiger » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:10 pm
It seems many of us with common sense are on the same wave length about what's going on, and the Wakey fans are still in denial!
Posted on RL Fans Tue Dec 20 1.34pm by gowerthegroap
A letter was presented at the inquiry this morning by York Court stating that the stadium will be built first. They then went on to say that should we get the nod, building would start mid 2012 and take 59 weeks. The final stipulation following a discussion relating to conditions was an agreement with Leeds Council that should the development be approved, York Court will have to apply for full planning within 4 months of the result of the Public Inquiry.
On the grounds of that, I would suggest that the stadium will be the first thing to be built, but IA/TRB/somebody more involved will probably be able to confirm that.
No letter was presented at the inquiry yesterday. Here's the letter that was presented on the 8th of December by Yorkcourt (I believe this is what they are referencing). It states Yorkcourt intends to build a stadium, but nowhere does it state that the stadium will be built first or when it will be built! This is letter is only a letter of intent, not a legal obligation and has no standing in law, and the inspector made the same comment. Also, with a development of this size and the costs involved, there has to be a legal obligation in writing (e.g. a 106 agreement), to say building would start mid 2012 and take 59 weeks without this means absolutley nothing:
www.keepandshare.com/doc/3372190 ... -392k?da=y
I intend to retire by the age of 30, doesn't mean I definitely going to!
Yorkcourt have no money, and that's a fact! But the Wakefield fans can keep telling themselves otherwise.
I see Armadillo couldn't explain the 106 agreement to them either.
I'll reiterate what I said on my original post, I am prepared to take any bets, of any amount, that there will never be a stadium at Newmarket. Wildcats fans and Mr Armadillo, put your money where your mouths are!
Other latest offerings are that YCP will wait for planning to be granted and sell the land on.
You are correct in what you say, people should stop getting ahead of themselves, it is not a foregone conclusion. Wait and see if the inquiry goes our way and then timings can be a topic for conversation. |
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Quote gowerthegroap="gowerthegroap"snip'"
You have now also reached infamy with a mention on the propaganda board..
Re: Breaking News RE: Newmarket Inquiry
Postby townvilletiger » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:10 pm
It seems many of us with common sense are on the same wave length about what's going on, and the Wakey fans are still in denial!
Posted on RL Fans Tue Dec 20 1.34pm by gowerthegroap
A letter was presented at the inquiry this morning by York Court stating that the stadium will be built first. They then went on to say that should we get the nod, building would start mid 2012 and take 59 weeks. The final stipulation following a discussion relating to conditions was an agreement with Leeds Council that should the development be approved, York Court will have to apply for full planning within 4 months of the result of the Public Inquiry.
On the grounds of that, I would suggest that the stadium will be the first thing to be built, but IA/TRB/somebody more involved will probably be able to confirm that.
No letter was presented at the inquiry yesterday. Here's the letter that was presented on the 8th of December by Yorkcourt (I believe this is what they are referencing). It states Yorkcourt intends to build a stadium, but nowhere does it state that the stadium will be built first or when it will be built! This is letter is only a letter of intent, not a legal obligation and has no standing in law, and the inspector made the same comment. Also, with a development of this size and the costs involved, there has to be a legal obligation in writing (e.g. a 106 agreement), to say building would start mid 2012 and take 59 weeks without this means absolutley nothing:
www.keepandshare.com/doc/3372190 ... -392k?da=y
I intend to retire by the age of 30, doesn't mean I definitely going to!
Yorkcourt have no money, and that's a fact! But the Wakefield fans can keep telling themselves otherwise.
I see Armadillo couldn't explain the 106 agreement to them either.
I'll reiterate what I said on my original post, I am prepared to take any bets, of any amount, that there will never be a stadium at Newmarket. Wildcats fans and Mr Armadillo, put your money where your mouths are!
Other latest offerings are that YCP will wait for planning to be granted and sell the land on.
You are correct in what you say, people should stop getting ahead of themselves, it is not a foregone conclusion. Wait and see if the inquiry goes our way and then timings can be a topic for conversation. | |
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It seems they're spending an awful lot of time concerning themselves about it if its never going to happen. Best bet is just to wait and see. if nothing has been started by the end of 2012 then I think we'll all have the answer.
As an aside, if the new thing is that Yorkcourt will sell the land if planning is granted, surely the obligation to build a stadium remains with the planning, therefore the price someone would be willing to pay for this land would be significantly reduced and in reality not worth selling.
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FORGET THEM THEY KNOW SWEET FANNY ADAMS.
Have they attended the inquiry? Have they been objective (or as much as is possible from anyone)? Or do they have hidden motives for wanting Junction 30 not to happen?
No, No & Most certainly yes!
One of my best friends is a very loyal Castleford fan, I really enjoy the banter, especially after a few beers. If Castleford were to go down the pan I'd be devastated for him, but wouldn't care one iota for the likes on the Casforum site. They don't represent the vast majority of Castleford fans, just a bunch of pathetic sheep, tainted by the state of fear and desperation caused by the incompetent leadership.
Why are they not more concerned with the 1 in 100 year flood reports that sign the death of a supermarket on Wheldon Road? Because picking harm in what we do takes focus from their own failings. Us failing is the one & only development plan Castleford have had in the past 20 years. Bottom line.
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PLEASE NO MORE ATTENTION PAID TO CAS FORUM TOPICS.
LET'S CONCENTRATE ON OUR OWN BRIGHT FUTURE.
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| Quote sixtogo="sixtogo"You have now also reached infamy with a mention on the propaganda board..'"
Jolly good. This must be how it feels when you've made it...
Although lets be fair, there is enough of their garbage touted on here so it's a lot of tat and plenty of tit. From the outside looking in it's quite easy to see why fans of other clubs get balled off with this tiresome Wakefield/Castleford oneupmanship. I'm a Wakefield fan and I'm pretty well tired of it. Between us I think we've almost reached propaganda melting point!! I can't wait til the decision is made, we know either way, and all the while, a little thing called rugby league might take our minds off it all in the background. Roll on Widnes away!! | | |
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| Quote gowerthegroap="gowerthegroap"Jolly good. This must be how it feels when you've made it...
Although lets be fair, there is enough of their garbage touted on here so it's a lot of tat and plenty of tit. From the outside looking in it's quite easy to see why fans of other clubs get balled off with this tiresome Wakefield/Castleford oneupmanship. I'm a Wakefield fan and I'm pretty well tired of it. Between us I think we've almost reached propaganda melting point!! I can't wait til the decision is made, we know either way, and all the while, a little thing called rugby league might take our minds off it all in the background. Roll on Widnes away!!'"
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Although lets be fair, there is enough of their garbage touted on here so it's a lot of tat and plenty of tit. From the outside looking in it's quite easy to see why fans of other clubs get balled off with this tiresome Wakefield/Castleford oneupmanship. I'm a Wakefield fan and I'm pretty well tired of it. Between us I think we've almost reached propaganda melting point!! I can't wait til the decision is made, we know either way, and all the while, a little thing called rugby league might take our minds off it all in the background. Roll on Widnes away!!'"
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I have not seen the Section 106 Agreement but I know that the Inspector is discussing Conditions and the Section 106 tomorrow before closing Statements from YCP, WMDC and LCC.
The Inspector is a very intelligent man and he is not going to allow YCP, assuming he recommends approval of the application, to build out all the B8, Hotel, Restaraunt etc. without some guarantee that the Stadium is built.
I think it is resasonable to allow YCP to develop some of the site before the Stadium in order to receive receipts to fund their investment into the Stadium and I suspect that they will be allowed to build some of the B8 prior to the Stadium.
As they have said work on the Stadium will commence mid 2012 and take 59 weeks I would not be surprised if they already have occupiers for a fair amount of the B8 and they are wanting to secure those occupiers and start on that as soon as possible so as to generate the receipts to build the Stadium.
I'm certain there is no problem - its how Developers work.
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| Quote Sandal Cat="Sandal Cat"I have not seen the Section 106 Agreement but I know that the Inspector is discussing Conditions and the Section 106 tomorrow before closing Statements from YCP, WMDC and LCC.
The Inspector is a very intelligent man and he is not going to allow YCP, assuming he recommends approval of the application, to build out all the B8, Hotel, Restaraunt etc. without some guarantee that the Stadium is built.
I think it is resasonable to allow YCP to develop some of the site before the Stadium in order to receive receipts to fund their investment into the Stadium and I suspect that they will be allowed to build some of the B8 prior to the Stadium.
As they have said work on the Stadium will commence mid 2012 and take 59 weeks I would not be surprised if they already have occupiers for a fair amount of the B8 and they are wanting to secure those occupiers and start on that as soon as possible so as to generate the receipts to build the Stadium.
I'm certain there is no problem - its how Developers work.'"
Problem is, there doesn't seem to be a clear indication of what is going to happen and what is agreed, which is why our cousins over the river are jumping on it. It is vague at best.
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| Quote PopTart="PopTart"Problem is, there doesn't seem to be a clear indication of what is going to happen and what is agreed, which is why our cousins over the river are jumping on it. It is vague at best.
Would be nice to see (or hear if discussed tomorrow) what the schedule is.'"
Sandalcat has sumed it up nicely. We can also assume WMDC learnt their lesson at Glasshoughton and they will also be
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| Quote RebelRebel="RebelRebel"An excellent point, and one that's easily overlooked. Both clubs are in a horrible situation at the moment. We can't ignore it or avoid it, but we could show a little respect to others whilst debating it.
This thread has been cleaned up, from a certain point. Please don't drag irrelevant aspects of opponents' personalities into the debate. If you want a new stadium, show you deserve it!
Rant (of sorts) over.'"
Thanks for posting this, was thinking about posting along similar lines but thought due to the club i support the message would be lost to some.
I'm sick of wakefield fans (and a few fev fans, with one leeds fan) talking like they know the ins and outs of cas's new stadium(when they in all likely hood know jack all) , and i'm sick of cas fans talking like they know the ins and outs of wakefields stadium (when they in all likely hood know jack all).
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