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Quote: vastman "I'm with you on this.

The innocent until proven guilty argument doesn't hold water if you've already been dumb enough to admit it to just about every body.'"


Its still not proved.
You'd look stupid if you dropped him then it turned out to be a windup by his mates.
Unless he comes to Powell and says he is going to fail and doesn't want to play, you wait for the official word as far as I am concerned.

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Quote: PopTart "Its still not proved.
You'd look stupid if you dropped him then it turned out to be a windup by his mates.
Unless he comes to Powell and says he is going to fail and doesn't want to play, you wait for the official word as far as I am concerned.'"


Exactly, FWIW not saying you are wrong Belly - the lad is thick as mince after all!

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Very, very messy. There seems to be a at least a weeks discrepancy in the time frames for results coming through from match day to club statements/suspensions between Walker/Chase & Hardaker.

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Quote: PopTart "Its still not proved.
You'd look stupid if you dropped him then it turned out to be a windup by his mates.
Unless he comes to Powell and says he is going to fail and doesn't want to play, you wait for the official word as far as I am concerned.'"


I'd expect the club to investigate a rumour as strong as this one was, wouldn't you. I think this one had far more legs than being a wind up don't you?

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Its like anything else, the actual truth means nothing, the only truth that can be acted upon is the one that is proven, everything else is hearsay, rumor, supposition and occasionally libel.
Its crap I know, but that's where we are.

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One wonders what would have happened if Hardaker had won the Man of Steel.

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Quote: Redscat "One wonders what would have happened if Hardaker had won the Man of Steel.'"


He had a sniff at it - I'll get my coat icon_smile.gif

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Quote: vastman "He had a sniff at it - I'll get my coat Was only a fine line in it icon_biggrin.gif

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As much as I don't like the kid he must be in awful place right now, wouldn't wish it on anyone.

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I'm 100% in agreement with Belly on this.
I can't believe that both Cas and the RFL didn't know that Zac had failed the A sample test on the 8th of September unTil the UKADA informed the club on thursday morning, the testing protocol is to inform governing body and athelete of a failed "A" sample, the athelete should be suspended until the "B" sample is tested and results cross checked. I think the "broke club rules" announcement was a smokescreen to calm the news until after the grand final.
One thing I see for sure is, the lad is as daft as a box of frogs, he needs help and support to make sure we don't get another Terry Newton situation, I hope walker and Chase are receiving similar support and this is not only reserved for "superstars"
Massive shame as he is a great player and I think there is a class a drug problem across the country not just in sport and the whole thing needs to be reviewed as the current laws/regulations are just not working.

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Quote: financialtimes "I'm 100% in agreement with Belly on this.
I can't believe that both Cas and the RFL didn't know that Zac had failed the A sample test on the 8th of September unTil the UKADA informed the club on thursday morning, the testing protocol is to inform governing body and athelete of a failed "A" sample, the athelete should be suspended until the "B" sample is tested and results cross checked. I think the "broke club rules" announcement was a smokescreen to calm the news until after the grand final.
One thing I see for sure is, the lad is as daft as a box of frogs, he needs help and support to make sure we don't get another Terry Newton situation, I hope walker and Chase are receiving similar support and this is not only reserved for "superstars"
Massive shame as he is a great player and I think there is a class a drug problem across the country not just in sport and the whole thing needs to be reviewed as the current laws/regulations are just not working.'"


IF Cas were told about this a few weeks ago, have they brought the game into disrepute and should any action be t, I believe that they would have known and then it comes down to whether they have followed the correct procedure.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "IF Cas were told about this a few weeks ago, have they brought the game into disrepute and should any action be t, I believe that they would have known and then it comes down to whether they have followed the correct procedure.'"


Steve Gill comes across as a decent honest guy so I would give him the benefit of the doubt TBH.

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Quote: Wildthing "Steve Gill comes across as a decent honest guy so I would give him the benefit of the doubt TBH.'"


Would the club not be informed immediately, when a player fails a drugs test or, would it be down to the player to inform his employer.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Would the club not be informed immediately, when a player fails a drugs test or, would it be down to the player to inform his employer.'"


I genuinely don't know.

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Cas have a history of accepting poor behavior, Chambers, Owen, Moore, Tansey, Chase and of course Hardacre to name a few, I would suggest that is an epidemic. As for Gill he palmed of Owen, Moore Tansey knowing they were damaged goods, they turned a blind eye to Chase`s poor behavior and then allowed Widnes to cop for him. Now there are obvious suspicions that they allowed Hardacre to play knowing he had failed a sample A drug test. Plus there is the rumor that it was more than just Hardacre involved, just that the others were not tested.
For me you reap what you sow so I have no sympathy for Cas, their track record is appalling. So much so that it would be a disgrace if Peter Box continued with his plans to give Cas a civic reception at Wakefield tax payers expense in honor of a team who have again benefited from allowing drug cheats to represent them.

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