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| Lets get philosophical for a minute. There are two schools of thought -
1. You elect an MP as your representative to vote as THEIR conscience dictates. This has been the accepted view for a long time but it does mean that the actual electors can feel as they are only considered at election time and then forgotten about.
2. You elect an MP as your representative to vote as YOU dictate. This means that they should check the views of their constituents on each vote - maybe even a mini referendum - which is probably impractical.
Not only that but they have to represent ALL constituents, not just the ones who voted for them. That makes life even more difficult. I'm not saying one way is right and the other wrong but it does show that democracy is messy to say the least. The Brexit vote was something like 52% to 48% so the 48% or nearly half the population have to have their views considered at some stage - unless the losing side gets ignored altogether. Maybe when everything goes online everyone can have a vote on everything (but I reckon it would probably lead to an even bigger mess!).
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| Quote: sandcat20 "Lets get philosophical for a minute. There are two schools of thought -
1. You elect an MP as your representative to vote as THEIR conscience dictates. This has been the accepted view for a long time but it does mean that the actual electors can feel as they are only considered at election time and then forgotten about.
2. You elect an MP as your representative to vote as YOU dictate. This means that they should check the views of their constituents on each vote - maybe even a mini referendum - which is probably impractical.
Not only that but they have to represent ALL constituents, not just the ones who voted for them. That makes life even more difficult. I'm not saying one way is right and the other wrong but it does show that democracy is messy to say the least. The Brexit vote was something like 52% to 48% so the 48% or nearly half the population have to have their views considered at some stage - unless the losing side gets ignored altogether. Maybe when everything goes online everyone can have a vote on everything (but I reckon it would probably lead to an even bigger mess!).'"
Yup, can't really hold a grudge against Creagh - she's doing what she thinks is best for her constituents, even if they don't agree. She knows far more about it than your man in the street and is not there to blindly vote for whatever is popular at the time.
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| Quote: TrinityIHC "Yup, can't really hold a grudge against Creagh - she's doing what she thinks is best for her constituents, even if they don't agree. She knows far more about it than your man in the street and is not there to blindly vote for whatever is popular at the time.'"
Bullcrap!
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| Quote: sandcat20 ". The Brexit vote was something like 52% to 48% .'"
In Wakefield it was 66% to 34%
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| Quote: sandcat20 "Lets get philosophical for a minute. There are two schools of thought -
1. You elect an MP as your representative to vote as THEIR conscience dictates. This has been the accepted view for a long time but it does mean that the actual electors can feel as they are only considered at election time and then forgotten about.
2. You elect an MP as your representative to vote as YOU dictate. This means that they should check the views of their constituents on each vote - maybe even a mini referendum - which is probably impractical.
Not only that but they have to represent ALL constituents, not just the ones who voted for them. That makes life even more difficult. I'm not saying one way is right and the other wrong but it does show that democracy is messy to say the least. The Brexit vote was something like 52% to 48% so the 48% or nearly half the population have to have their views considered at some stage - unless the losing side gets ignored altogether. Maybe when everything goes online everyone can have a vote on everything (but I reckon it would probably lead to an even bigger mess!).'"
If the vote had gone the other way,trust me,they'd have had no trouble ignoring the losers.
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| Quote: TrinityIHC "She knows far more about it than your man in the street and is not there to blindly vote for whatever is popular at the time.'"
She's very much on the Progress wing of the Labour Party (Blairite, red Tory, call them what you will) - when I spoke to her before the referendum and expressed my concern that the remain camp weren't addressing the leave-generated hysteria over immigration she said 'There is very little immigration in Wakefield, it's not an issue here'. Very focussed on national issues, locally - we're just here to vote her in.
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| Quote: wakeyrule "She's very much on the Progress wing of the Labour Party (Blairite, red Tory, call them what you will) - when I spoke to her before the referendum and expressed my concern that the remain camp weren't addressing the leave-generated hysteria over immigration she said 'There is very little immigration in Wakefield, it's not an issue here'. Very focussed on national issues, locally - we're just here to vote her in.'"
It's called ostrich syndrome.
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| Quote: The Avenger "Bullcrap!'"
Correct!
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| Quote: The Avenger "Bullcrap!'"
Been to Wakefield today to pick some tickets' up for Sunday's game, there was a chap in the old BHS shop doorway petitioning for the resignation of this woman, I know it wasn't Wildthing cos I know who he is, I'm just wondering if it was you
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| Quote: The Avenger "Bullcrap!'"
Not really, there are only 3 ways a MP can vote:
With party whip
With constituents
With conscience
Each one has pros and cons, but she is entitled to vote whichever way she feels best serves the district. Only time will tell if she was correct, if brexit is a runaway success and the Tory government maintain levels of current EU investment in Wakefield for example then she'll have been wrong. If it's a disaster then she was right.
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| Quote: TrinityIHC "Not really, there are only 3 ways a MP can vote
She's voted in by her constituents to represent them
They clearly stated their wishes and she roundly ignored them, preferring instead to indulge in her own beliefs rather than do the job she was elected for.
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| If we are talking about any "run of the mill" issue, the MP should think the issues through and vote in accordance with what they believe to be best for the constituency. As suggested, with their conscience.
If we are talking about a vote based on a referendum, them the MP needs to decide whether to (A) vote with the majority of the nation (the essence of a referendum), (B) with the majority of their constituency, or (C) against their constituency & nation (presumably because they think they know better).
In the event of (C), it is noble (but not a rule), for that MP to declare a bye election, giving the constituents the chance to change, if they wish, their representation.
Don't hold your breath Wakefield - a fat salary and pension are more important than your views and Parliamentary representation.
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| Quote: The Avenger "She's voted in by her constituents to represent them
They clearly stated their wishes and she roundly ignored them, preferring instead to indulge in her own beliefs rather than do the job she was elected for.'"
It's not her job to go along with constituents wishes, her job is to try and do the best for Wakefield. If she passionately believes that Brexit will cause harm to the city, then she shouldn't vote it through. She is not a delegate.
Simple as that.
The easy option would have been for her to just vote against her conscience and not ruffle any feathers. As it is, she has taken the hard road and made herself a target. Give me a principled politician any day, over one who will do anything for an easy life.
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| Quote: TrinityIHC "It's not her job to go along with constituents wishes, her job is to try and do the best for Wakefield. If she passionately believes that Brexit will cause harm to the city, then she shouldn't vote it through. She is not a delegate.
Simple as that.
The easy option would have been for her to just vote against her conscience and not ruffle any feathers. As it is, she has taken the hard road and made herself a target. Give me a principled politician any day, over one who will do anything for an easy life.'"
Suspect it won't be her job for much longer. Boundary changes make it more likely that Wakefield will be lost to Labour, especially if she remains.
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| The referendum decision ,in my opinion, should override any personal views. In effect when a referendum is held, it is because it is of such importance that normal parliamentary procedure is suspended.If it goes back to parliament and its for MPs to decide yea or nay as to whether or not the opinion of the people is to be respected you may as well have not had the referendum in the first place.Creagh is a poor loser. I voted remain, but now let's just get on with it.
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