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Quote: Uptoncat "Well I can. They are professional players. If we get a franchise and they're good enough then we'll look at keeping them. If we don't get a franchise and they're good enough other clubs will look to sign them. The ones we don't deem good enough may still get contracts elsewhere, others will drop down to the Championship either with us (if we dont win a franchise) or other clubs. WTW is not the be all and end all for these players.'"


In a ideal world maybe, in a beaten team every week and one thats full of unrest its not so easy.

Just like you and me players go through ups and downs in life and are affected by everything that happens around them, it not black and white, it never is.

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Quote: Huddersfield1895 "Didn't Wakefield only get into Super League on the promise that they would build a new ground or re-develop Belle Vue, and until that happened they would play home games at Oakwell?
12 years later we are still waiting for this to happen.'"


I'll let you into a secret squire, Wakefield got into SL because they beat Featherstone Rovers in the play off final hth.

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I don't to profess to know what is happening at Belle vue,but looking at it from the outside as I do it looks to me like Mr Kear is more intent on winning the 9's than anything else.

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Quote: Trinity Till Death "Sounds like we're missing Aaron 'tackling machine' Murphy'"


Murphy has been poor lately, George is the tackling machine - not that it makes much difference as it sounds like none of them could tackle.

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Quote: BIGAL1 "In a ideal world maybe, in a beaten team every week and one thats full of unrest its not so easy.

Just like you and me players go through ups and downs in life and are affected by everything that happens around them, it not black and white, it never is.'"


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I work in print and there is no such thing as a pure black or white just shaded of grey. RL is the same, but Kears the obvious target and there comes a point where someone has to pay the price. Rightly or wrongly in RL it's always the coach.

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Quote: chissitt "I'll let you into a secret squire, Wakefield got into SL because they beat Featherstone Rovers in the play off final hth.'"


Which is more than Hudds managed, were they not invited into SL after finishing 2nd because Paris went pop?

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Quote: Shifty Cat "We could do more, in what way? Signing players, running the business side of the club, Marketing the club, what?

What's going on in the field, is imo on the toes of Kear and his team and Elston, if these last 4 or so, really bad performances hadn't have happened, imo we wouldn't be hearing this unrest from the fans.With the situation, with what it was, when Glover took over and only a few months to go, to get a franchise application in, it seems a lot of his time and effort has gone in to that and also making the business more viable, with the hospitality and match day experience etc.
I hope not but you get the feeling, that the whole franchise decision will we, won't we thing, has really taken it's toll at the club. I do feel for the players etc not knowing whether the club are going to be in SL next year and if so virtually turning the rest of a season into a bit of a joke.
I agree with the bolded part, after the first game, Hickey should have been pulled out and played in the reserves, simple as that and we should never have signed Tadulala. Like you say, the thing that brought them together, at the start of the season, that camaraderie and under dog tag seems to have been eroded and the effort and fight, they showed through the first half of the season, seems to have ebbed away.'"


First point - we could have done more to tempt better quality 'guest' players from abroad. I won't accept that there are not players you can't tempt with the right offer.

Second point relates to the first. Of course we'd have been happy if we'd won 2 more games in the last 2 months and we were still competing on the pitch, but we're not because of, partly point 1 above and secondly, the complete and utter mis-management of the resources we do have available.

Off the field - no problem!

What I do now believe is that we have removed any remaining obstacles in the way of the RFL having us removed from SL by 1, performing so poorly as to not even compete (how does that benefit the game at all?) and 2, by signing poor, over the hill overseas players and removing the one reason that would have allowed to get away with our poor performances - namely that we were investing in game time in a new generation of home-grown players.

I believe that in the above we have signed our own death warrant! icon_sad.gif

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Quote: imwakefieldtillidie "Because I think he's got a lot out of players this season who, in my opinion, are simply not good enough for Super League. This team of players, on paper, are not as strong as any other side in the league. But yet we've still managed to turn over teams we had no right to beat. It's unfair to blame Kear for defeats like today but give him no credit for some of the excellent victories we've had.'"


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Quote: PopTart "You are not alone in this view'"


No he's not alone, however losing games is acceptable, losing by 70 suggests things have gone too far. This team is better than that.

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Quote: imwakefieldtillidie "Because I think he's got a lot out of players this season who, in my opinion, are simply not good enough for Super League. This team of players, on paper, are not as strong as any other side in the league. But yet we've still managed to turn over teams we had no right to beat. It's unfair to blame Kear for defeats like today but give him no credit for some of the excellent victories we've had.'"

yes. we all knew it before the season started. some have forgotten it. credit mr glover for his loyalty to kear (and vice versa) on the footballing front.

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Quote: vastman "No he's not alone, however losing games is acceptable, losing by 70 suggests things have gone too far. This team is better than that.'"

Indeed. We all knew this team would lose far more than they would win, that was a given. I suspect most fans can stomach a loss. Losing by 50 odd points to an on fire Warrington, St Helens or Wigan is something as supporters we can reason with, however disappointed we feel. Losing by 20 odd points to a team in 12th position, 30 odd points to a team in 8th, and 50 odd points to a team in 11th is much harder to accept, notwithstanding the absolute dire tactics the current team are employing, which leads to speculation the current set of players are not able to play anything more than 5 drives and a kick, which frankly, I think they would find insulting, particularly the ones who have come through the Wigan and St Helens academies.

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Quote: TRB "What I do now believe is that we have removed any remaining obstacles in the way of the RFL having us removed from SL by 1, performing so poorly as to not even compete (how does that benefit the game at all?) and 2, by signing poor, over the hill overseas players and removing the one reason that would have allowed to get away with our poor performances - namely that we were investing in game time in a new generation of home-grown players.

I believe that in the above we have signed our own death warrant!
I don't agree - that seems to be to a rather dramatic sentiment; the RFL will not make a decision to remove us from SL because of the signing of Jarrad Hickey and Semi Tadulala. The Red Hall bods may not command much respect amongst the RL public (myself included) but even they wouldn't want a club owner to bankrupt himself for the sake of making expensive signings within months of the franchise decision.

We're spinning plates until July and the RFL know that.

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Quote: bren2k "I don't agree - that seems to be to a rather dramatic sentiment; the RFL will not make a decision to remove us from SL because of the signing of Jarrad Hickey and Semi Tadulala. The Red Hall bods may not command much respect amongst the RL public (myself included) but even they wouldn't want a club owner to bankrupt himself for the sake of making expensive signings within months of the franchise decision.

We're spinning plates until July and the RFL know that.'"


I hope you are right! icon_razz.gifRAY:

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Quote: TRB "

What I do now believe is that we have removed any remaining obstacles in the way of the RFL having us removed from SL by 1, performing so poorly as to not even compete (how does that benefit the game at all?) and 2, by signing poor, over the hill overseas players and removing the one reason that would have allowed to get away with our poor performances - namely that we were investing in game time in a new generation of home-grown players.

I believe that in the above we have signed our own death warrant!
Really? We are lucky there were still any obstacles to be removed in all honesty. Despite hitting administration at the very start of the season, despite picking up players who couldn't get a game anywhere else in Super League we have still managed to put a few points on the board and are still not at the bottom of the pile. I reckon that says more about our ability to 'compete' than anything else. Given the number of young British players in our squad/team I'm sure we can be forgiven a couple of dodgy overseas signings most teams have at least that many.

If the death warrant has indeed already been signed it was signed long before the above happened.

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Quote: J.T "Really? We are lucky there were still any obstacles to be removed in all honesty. Despite hitting administration at the very start of the season, despite picking up players who couldn't get a game anywhere else in Super League we have still managed to put a few points on the board and are still not at the bottom of the pile. I reckon that says more about our ability to 'compete' than anything else. Given the number of young British players in our squad/team I'm sure we can be forgiven a couple of dodgy overseas signings most teams have at least that many.

If the death warrant has indeed already been signed it was signed long before the above happened.'"


Oh I don't doubt that the grave was dug by others as it turned out.

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