While i do wish j32 all the best, and i really mean that, derby games have an extra buzz we don't get anywhere else, and it would be a loss to either of us if the other fell away. You do get the feeling that with the length of time this project has been bumbling along for if everything was progressing it would have been built years ago. Like some of your fans say, you need real action, and soon. Why has it taken so long to go from outline planning permission to filing for the next round of planning? Has funding ever been confirmed? Smoke and mirrors.. Richard Wright wrote the book on Smoke and mirrors, by comparison Ted is but a mere padawan.

What we need is for July to hurry up and get here, when both applications will hopefully be given the green light on the same day.
And as a region, if only for that one day both sets of fans can stop the banter and give a united two cheeked gesture to the RFL!

I honestly think that's the best post I've ever read from you mate!!

Keep it up!

I wish i was worthy of that list of greats!!

Good as I'am I aint no vasty!

A 2 year delay though mate. Come on. Just out of interest when was the move to j32 launched?

In that two years we have had outline planning permission, started the ground works, found new partners and are choosing the final design, its not as if nothing has been going on, just the process has been frustratingly slow (as with all stadiums and remember you were saying that you were handing in full planning permission months ago, by the time you do, if everthing goes to plan ((and that is extremely rare in the building of stadiums)) it will be a year behind what you yourself originally told us). Besides thats the past and has nothing to do with how the future will pan out, i'm not judging your plans for the current ground on the false dawns you have had in the past am i?

The only reason I say that is that Yorkcourt have already spent the money buying the land prior to getting planning. Many land deals are based on an agreement to buy subject to planning approval, why buy some land you then can't build on, or at least not build what you intend to. So Yorkcourt will have already spent a tidy sum buying the land (it will be in the millions) and taken a risk and will have got the land cheaper because of this. Land that has planning or gets planning prior to purchase costs more generally for the obvious reason of less risk.

This will not make it harder for the residents to object as such but they have the potential of a longer more difficult fight. Yorkcourt will not just let things drop if they don't get the permission they want because they have spent the money already.

By way of an example, a favourite trick of the big supermarkets is submitting and then when the objections come (and possibly they think they are going to lose out) withdrawing a planning application. They then make minor changes, to be fair often taking into consideration some of the comments in the objections, and then put in a new application. Now the clever bit is that this is a new application, not an amendment, as such all those people that wrote and objected first time have to write and do it all again for the new application. The other application is dead and all the letters get put in a file and can not be used in reference to the new application. They keep doing this, sometimes over and over and over again till they get planning, each time less people can be bothered to object and they win in the end! Clever eh!

So, Yorkcourt are unlikely to give up if they get a no first time round!

Just look through the associated documents on here

I was trying to link the documents on there that's why.

Not heard that method before - very interesting!

Castleford have interviewed 4 Architects practises to take the scheme to detailed design but last I heard (Friday), and trust me it is in my interest to know these things, they have not yet decided. They were due to do this prior to Christmas but suspect it will be in the new year now.

I doubt that RW has said that following these latest proposals. Yorkcourt, I now understand from other posters, have already bought the land and while this will mean it will have been cheaper, it is still quite a bit of money they have spent to let this thing fail!

Also, in respect of Wakefield Council they have also given Castleford an equal plot of land to use as and asset (it might the stadium land itself in this case... anybody help on that one?). So they are been very fair and it will not be there fault if either fall through.

Sorry, Fully, did not see your post till after posting mine above about four Architects. Your understand is exactly the same as mine.

One place I thought of for there is where the current swimming baths are, all that land could secure a massive loan, and when Surfworld is built the council (or Cas) could sell that land for millions which could be used for just about anything, as the baths wouldn't be needed anymore due to Surfworld being in the town as well.

You need to let this one go mate, Fully is correct, the current DLA proposal in respect of the stadium itself are exactly the same sort of thing Castleford will have submitted for their outline application. They will have thought about how they would like it to look and done a few sketches and then got some young lad, who is a whizz on the old 3-d rendering package, to knock out the drawings over a few hours and a couple of bottles of Tizer! It ain't detailed and will not be until they get the real guy, the Structural Engineer, on the project to knock out the detailed design working with the Architect.

statement from fev... www.featherstonerovers.net/2009/news120.htm

statement from fev... www.featherstonerovers.net/2009/news120.htm