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Many thanks to all who have worked so hard on the Newmarket project .
Cannot wait to renew my season ticket for the first season there.
Think positively everyone.
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Wonder if Richard wright will turn up at glasshoughton to tell the inspector how well things are going and that the stadium will be up and running in 2013!!??
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| Quote: REDWHITEANDBLUE "the file is not accessible however the 'footprint' is'"
It's a pity. I would have been interested in reading the Stadium Update for 22nd April 2009 in the light of the recent letter from the Cas CEO regarding groundsharing. |
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| Quote: Uptoncat "Wonder if Richard wright will turn up at glasshoughton to tell the inspector how well things are going and that the stadium will be up and running in 2013!!??'"
I would hope Richard has learnt to keep his neb out!
If he hadn't sent that letter I honestly believe the only time Junction 32 would have been mentioned was by t'old Fender Bender.
Because he sent the letter he forced the issue from a great number of sources (WMDC, Yorkcourt & IA) all of which told "home truths" that have remained out of the consciousnesses of many of us. In my view (and I have been at the inquiry 5 days) Junction 32 has come out of this a lot more blackened that before the inquiry sat.
Anyone with an objective head on can see the similarities of both schemes, yes the have fundamental differences, but also have key similarities. The most crucial of all being that they are triggered by enabling developments. In fairness to the "stadium race" that has been perpetuated over the past 10 years I think it's safe to say at this moment we are neck and neck. SHOULD Junction 30 get the green light we will be way out in front.
Full planning permission for the stadium having to be submitted by August at the very latest & work commencing on the rest of the development virtually from the word go. Having spoken to the Yorkcourt barrister yesterday I have no concerns over a client/clients being found. I don't think it would be prudent to quote him on here just yet, but rest assured an end client/clients have been involved from the creation of the project.
While I wish Richard Wright et al all the best I have serious concerns for the viability of their business once we begin construction, similarly the same concerns for us IF Castleford start to build. In my eyes the first one to build will take an accent that will be insurmountable for the other. The insecurity that is created by being perceived to be being "left behind" builds and undermines your viability as a business, as we saw this time last year. |
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| Quote: Theboyem "Simple question then. Having read the section 106 agreement is it the case that the B8 has to just be committed to via the signing of contracts or do they have to be built and working first? Effectively, does Yorkcourts letter to the inquiry guarentee the stadium will be built first or does the 106 say different?'"
Yep, that for me is the Elephant in the room.
Whilst the objections from LCC & the Nimby’s shouldn’t be taken lightly, the thread on the Jihadist website regarding whether the Warehousing has to be built & occupied is a major concern.
The P.I may be successful, but the timescale thereafter may be a very long one.
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Finally, I know lots of financial stuff and section 106 agreements have got people all excited, especially on the other forum, but we just need to let this inquiry concluded and also let us understand exactly what came out of today and what YCP will say about the ambush. We have met with Yorkcourt and others and have no reason to doubt their motivation, integrity and commitment to this project.'"
The post from I.A regarding yesterday’s proceedings is a great read, however, the bit about section 106, appears a little vague. |
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| Quote: The Devil's Advocate "Yep, that for me is the Elephant in the room.
Whilst the objections from LCC & the Nimby’s shouldn’t be taken lightly, the thread on the Jihadist website regarding whether the Warehousing has to be built & occupied is a major concern.
The P.I may be successful, but the timescale thereafter may be a very long one.
The post from I.A regarding yesterday’s proceedings is a great read, however, the bit about section 106, appears a little vague.'"
Yes I can see the reason why people are concerned. However I don't think the inspector will pass this without the stadium build being made watertight. If one of the special circumstances of greenbelt development is the 'stadium need'
then he must ensure this certainly happens as a result of him allowing overall planning permission.
I think we will get a very good indication of which way this will go at the final session on Thursday and I am sure the inspector will clarify this point then. |
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| Quote: jack in the box "Yes I can see the reason why people are concerned. However I don't think the inspector will pass this without the stadium build being made watertight. If one of the special circumstances of greenbelt development is the 'stadium need'
then he must ensure this certainly happens as a result of him allowing overall planning permission.
I think we will get a very good indication of which way this will go at the final session on Thursday and I am sure the inspector will clarify this point then.'"
An open statement from Yorkcourt in plain English stating what will happen will do nicely. No ambiguity, no ifs, buts and maybes, just facts. |
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| Quote: Theboyem "An open statement from Yorkcourt in plain English stating what will happen will do nicely. No ambiguity, no ifs, buts and maybes, just facts.'"
To be fair YorkCourt publically stated at the Inquiry that construction of the stadium would start mid 2012 and it was to be a 59 week build. However, I agree it would help if the conditions were clarified.
As someone else has mentioned, LCC went to town as to why they didn’t think this build should go ahead, with very weak arguments. One would’ve though if there were any doubt as the when the stadium build could commence, they would’ve made a bigger show of that rather than being reduced to arguing over the minimum amount of jobs this development would create. |
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| Quote: Khlav Kalash "To be fair YorkCourt publically stated at the Inquiry that construction of the stadium would start mid 2012 and it was to be a 59 week build. However, I agree it would help if the conditions were clarified.
As someone else has mentioned, LCC went to town as to why they didn’t think this build should go ahead, with very weak arguments. One would’ve though if there were any doubt as the when the stadium build could commence, they would’ve made a bigger show of that rather than being reduced to arguing over the minimum amount of jobs this development would create.'"
Not sure of the exact wording they used but LCC have indicated that if this is passed they want the stadium full planning application must be in within 4 months. I am also sure LCC may wish to see the stadium build being made water tight as part of this process |
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| Quote: jack in the box "Not sure of the exact wording they used but LCC have indicated that if this is passed they want the stadium full planning application must be in within 4 months. I am also sure LCC may wish to see the stadium build being made water tight as part of this process'"
So now we should be thanking LCC and the NIMBY's?  |
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| Quote: jack in the box "Not sure of the exact wording they used but LCC have indicated that if this is passed they want the stadium full planning application must be in within 4 months. I am also sure LCC may wish to see the stadium build being made water tight as part of this process'"
Can they make demands like this ???? |
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| Quote: lifelongfan "Can they make demands like this ????'"
I think it was universally agreed. The inspector would probably put that in as part of the conditions if he were to pass the scheme. |
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Shall we get it approved first before we start worrying about when it will be built? This isn't Richard Wright telling the Ponte and Cas Express it will be built next week. This is a developer talking about planning conditions with a planning inspector who represents the government. YCP displayed a letter stating the stadium would be the first thing to be built, and that building would start mid 2012, taking 59 weeks. Like others have already said, if has been agreed, the stadium is the first thing to be built, and there are doubts over whether finance is in place, whether the units can be filled, or whether it will sufficiently enable the built, it would have been raised sooner than yesterday, and if what YCP are saying isn't true, the planning inspector will sadly say thank you, but no thank you. At this moment in time, any discussion of a build commencing in mid 2012 is more than enough to peak my interest!!
Castleford don't want NM, and their reasons for not wanting NM are the very same reasons we don't want GH. We can butter it up however we like, claim "we want Castleford to get a new stadium", and "we look forward to continuing our rivalry", but sadly, and this is the fault of the RFL, the missing part to both those statements is ", if we get our new stadium first". Whoever builds that stadium first will build themselves a future. Those that don't will either be forced to bite the bullet and cross the border to share that new facility, or face the prospect of living out their days alone.
The problem with the current discussion is that the focus has now shifted from will we get to build, and is now ed more on when will we get to build. Anyone would think we had already been granted approval. The news of "build-out", or a need to pre-let units prior to build only fuel our insecurities. It is not out of the realms of possibility that the units have already been pre let. Unfortunately the inbuilt nature and carcasses of a thousand failed stadium attempts automatically triggers the negative in Wakefield fans. The scaremongering of a few amber shaded individuals and suddenly all the optimism built up from the start of the PI starts to waiver. It's time to think positive. This could happen. When, will be confirmed at the time a SoS decision is confirmed. Until then, stop fretting, and get behind instead of questioning the developer. It's a miracle we have one at all.
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Quote: gowerthegroap "snip'"
You have now also reached infamy with a mention on the propaganda board..
Re: Breaking News RE: Newmarket Inquiry
Postby townvilletiger » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:10 pm
It seems many of us with common sense are on the same wave length about what's going on, and the Wakey fans are still in denial!
Posted on RL Fans Tue Dec 20 1.34pm by gowerthegroap
A letter was presented at the inquiry this morning by York Court stating that the stadium will be built first. They then went on to say that should we get the nod, building would start mid 2012 and take 59 weeks. The final stipulation following a discussion relating to conditions was an agreement with Leeds Council that should the development be approved, York Court will have to apply for full planning within 4 months of the result of the Public Inquiry.
On the grounds of that, I would suggest that the stadium will be the first thing to be built, but IA/TRB/somebody more involved will probably be able to confirm that.
No letter was presented at the inquiry yesterday. Here's the letter that was presented on the 8th of December by Yorkcourt (I believe this is what they are referencing). It states Yorkcourt intends to build a stadium, but nowhere does it state that the stadium will be built first or when it will be built! This is letter is only a letter of intent, not a legal obligation and has no standing in law, and the inspector made the same comment. Also, with a development of this size and the costs involved, there has to be a legal obligation in writing (e.g. a 106 agreement), to say building would start mid 2012 and take 59 weeks without this means absolutley nothing:
www.keepandshare.com/doc/3372190 ... -392k?da=y
I intend to retire by the age of 30, doesn't mean I definitely going to!
Yorkcourt have no money, and that's a fact! But the Wakefield fans can keep telling themselves otherwise.
I see Armadillo couldn't explain the 106 agreement to them either.
I'll reiterate what I said on my original post, I am prepared to take any bets, of any amount, that there will never be a stadium at Newmarket. Wildcats fans and Mr Armadillo, put your money where your mouths are!
Other latest offerings are that YCP will wait for planning to be granted and sell the land on.
You are correct in what you say, people should stop getting ahead of themselves, it is not a foregone conclusion. Wait and see if the inquiry goes our way and then timings can be a topic for conversation. |
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Quote: gowerthegroap "snip'"
You have now also reached infamy with a mention on the propaganda board..
Re: Breaking News RE: Newmarket Inquiry
Postby townvilletiger » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:10 pm
It seems many of us with common sense are on the same wave length about what's going on, and the Wakey fans are still in denial!
Posted on RL Fans Tue Dec 20 1.34pm by gowerthegroap
A letter was presented at the inquiry this morning by York Court stating that the stadium will be built first. They then went on to say that should we get the nod, building would start mid 2012 and take 59 weeks. The final stipulation following a discussion relating to conditions was an agreement with Leeds Council that should the development be approved, York Court will have to apply for full planning within 4 months of the result of the Public Inquiry.
On the grounds of that, I would suggest that the stadium will be the first thing to be built, but IA/TRB/somebody more involved will probably be able to confirm that.
No letter was presented at the inquiry yesterday. Here's the letter that was presented on the 8th of December by Yorkcourt (I believe this is what they are referencing). It states Yorkcourt intends to build a stadium, but nowhere does it state that the stadium will be built first or when it will be built! This is letter is only a letter of intent, not a legal obligation and has no standing in law, and the inspector made the same comment. Also, with a development of this size and the costs involved, there has to be a legal obligation in writing (e.g. a 106 agreement), to say building would start mid 2012 and take 59 weeks without this means absolutley nothing:
www.keepandshare.com/doc/3372190 ... -392k?da=y
I intend to retire by the age of 30, doesn't mean I definitely going to!
Yorkcourt have no money, and that's a fact! But the Wakefield fans can keep telling themselves otherwise.
I see Armadillo couldn't explain the 106 agreement to them either.
I'll reiterate what I said on my original post, I am prepared to take any bets, of any amount, that there will never be a stadium at Newmarket. Wildcats fans and Mr Armadillo, put your money where your mouths are!
Other latest offerings are that YCP will wait for planning to be granted and sell the land on.
You are correct in what you say, people should stop getting ahead of themselves, it is not a foregone conclusion. Wait and see if the inquiry goes our way and then timings can be a topic for conversation. | |
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It seems they're spending an awful lot of time concerning themselves about it if its never going to happen. Best bet is just to wait and see. if nothing has been started by the end of 2012 then I think we'll all have the answer.
As an aside, if the new thing is that Yorkcourt will sell the land if planning is granted, surely the obligation to build a stadium remains with the planning, therefore the price someone would be willing to pay for this land would be significantly reduced and in reality not worth selling.
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