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I guess that's why he has a successful business and lots of money.

'Just build as big as you can' isn't really a good plan. As said above you need to know where to invest first.
He's always said he wants a bigger stadium to hold a regular 10k.

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The North stand footprint is massive, and never has been used for its potential, along with the north east corner there is so much room for development

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Quote: Trojan Horse "
If we manage to pull around a 6k-6.5k average next season (which I think would be a realistic target then I can see the west being done with adding 500 or so during the works.
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Agree with everything really, but given we've averaged 6k in the Championship (yes winning team), with virtually no away support, I think we must be aiming higher than that.

I think even more away fans will be looking forward to coming to BV now, rather than dreading it.

And you know they've missed us icon_wink.gif

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If we're in the playoff chase til the very end I could see us averaging 7,500. There were 5,000 to see us beat Barrow, who brought five fans (not slagging them off), in a dead rubber. Agreed, a winning team is a huge factor, but no reason we can't be as competitive as Leigh have been over the last two years, and they averaged 2,779 in their promotion winning year.

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Quote: dboy "Agree with everything really, but given we've averaged 6k in the Championship (yes winning team), with virtually no away support, I think we must be aiming higher than that.

I think even more away fans will be looking forward to coming to BV now, rather than dreading it.

And you know they've missed us I honestly think our home crowds will stagnate next year if promoted, season tickets will rise by £100 and I’d guess we’ll only sell 2,500/3,000 season tickets

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Quote: JINJER "I honestly think our home crowds will stagnate next year if promoted, season tickets will rise by £100 and I’d guess we’ll only sell 2,500/3,000 season tickets'"


Where have you seen that? Haven't seen anything about season tickets and based on all his behaviour so far I could see Ellis freezing adult prices to sell it out.

I'm not going to dig the posts out, but a lot of folk felt our crowds would plummet this year, too. A very few rightly pointed out we were down to our diehards already, and we have been since 2016. Our stadium was terrible, there was no sense we could ever challenge for silverware, and perhaps most powerfully, that never looked like changing.

The stadium is now a miles better experience. We'll be good to watch next season. And most importantly, there's hope 2026, 2027 and 2028 will be better. Away followings will also rise between 1,500 for Leeds and Hull, and 400 for Salford and Huddersfield.

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Quote: Butcher "Where have you seen that? Haven't seen anything about season tickets and based on all his behaviour so far I could see Ellis freezing adult prices to sell it out.

I'm not going to dig the posts out, but a lot of folk felt our crowds would plummet this year, too. A very few rightly pointed out we were down to our diehards already, and we have been since 2016. Our stadium was terrible, there was no sense we could ever challenge for silverware, and perhaps most powerfully, that never looked like changing.

The stadium is now a miles better experience. We'll be good to watch next season. And most importantly, there's hope 2026, 2027 and 2028 will be better. Away followings will also rise between 1,500 for Leeds and Hull, and 400 for Salford and Huddersfield.'"

I haven’t seen it anywhere, it’s my opinion, nothing more, nothing less. And Matt Ellis is a businessman, season tickets will be a minimum £225 minimum, you watch

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Quote: dboy "Agree with everything really, but given we've averaged 6k in the Championship (yes winning team), with virtually no away support, I think we must be aiming higher than that.

I think even more away fans will be looking forward to coming to BV now, rather than dreading it.

And you know they've missed us
We have averaged just over 5000 I believe. Playoffs not included.

I added 1000-1500 as a modest estimate but some will bring more than others. I think 6-6.5k is realistic.

As for missing us. It may seem distasteful to some but personally I hope we absolutely smash some teams next year and I will take great pleasure in rubbing some other clubs faces in the mud given the chance. Not classy I know but the club was kicked when it was down by most fans of other clubs. What really riles me is the sympathy for London with fans seemingly calling for exemptions, help and allowances for what is essentially a struggling club that brings little to the top table.

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Quote: Trojan Horse "Not necessarily, you have to be wary of the utilisation score which for us could be very important. Build it too big too soon and it could have negative impacts on our score.

If we manage to pull around a 6k-6.5k average next season (which I think would be a realistic target then I can see the west being done with adding 500 or so during the works.

It’s not as simple as building it.

You have to also look at the demand within the stadium. Things I would consider are
So we have a brilliant first season back ,get into play offs the whole caboodle , place is packed , then takes 2 seasons or so to build the extra capacity , then in typical wakey fashion we bomb the next 3 seasons , crowds fall ,lots of empty seats . All I’m saying is surely he must be positive with the set up and build to accommodate, as been previously said it’s never going to be a 15,000 stadium maybe 10 , surely if your looking to the future and confident in your abilities you build to fill not the other way around

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Quote: Butcher "Where have you seen that? Haven't seen anything about season tickets and based on all his behaviour so far I could see Ellis freezing adult prices to sell it out.

I'm not going to dig the posts out, but a lot of folk felt our crowds would plummet this year, too. A very few rightly pointed out we were down to our diehards already, and we have been since 2016. Our stadium was terrible, there was no sense we could ever challenge for silverware, and perhaps most powerfully, that never looked like changing.

The stadium is now a miles better experience. We'll be good to watch next season. And most importantly, there's hope 2026, 2027 and 2028 will be better. Away followings will also rise between 1,500 for Leeds and Hull, and 400 for Salford and Huddersfield.'"


I’ll stake my claim to be one of those few arguing against many that our crowds would plummet and we would see a sort of resurgence/return of fans. Glad I was proved right. I’d love to care enough to go hunting some past posts and quote them but don’t care enough to make that effort.

Season tickets will be raised but I don’t think they’ll be shot up to full price just yet.

I suspect if I had to guess it would be something like:

North - £150 > £180-£200. Child - Free > £20.

East - £250 > £270-£280. Child - Free > £30.

West - £100 > £130-£150. Child - Free > £15.



Some of those would go up a bit more in 2026. I can’t see he would just bolt them right up.

I think at the above prices we would see as many season tickets sold as this season.

Away fans won’t be £10 all season either but I do think he will keep them low to encourage away SL support to come in numbers - maybe raise from £10 > £15. Clubs like Leeds/Cas/Hull/KR would travel very well at £15 an adult ticket.

There has to be a step up in pricing but still with the ability to pull in numbers too.

Just a punt above but we shall see.

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Quote: Kettykat "So we have a brilliant first season back ,get into play offs the whole caboodle , place is packed , then takes 2 seasons or so to build the extra capacity , then in typical wakey fashion we bomb the next 3 seasons , crowds fall ,lots of empty seats . All I’m saying is surely he must be positive with the set up and build to accommodate, as been previously said it’s never going to be a 15,000 stadium maybe 10 , surely if your looking to the future and confident in your abilities you build to fill not the other way around'"


Are you saying you don't think Ellis is being positive? He's made loads of changes and spent a hell of a lot of money to encourage people to come.

I didn't say they were or should wait. They are just trying to make an intelligent decision on where to focus first.

They can't just magic up a 10k ready to go stadium.

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Quote: PopTart "Are you saying you don't think Ellis is being positive? He's made loads of changes and spent a hell of a lot of money to encourage people to come.

I didn't say they were or should wait. They are just trying to make an intelligent decision on where to focus first.

They can't just magic up a 10k ready to go stadium.'"

Where did I say Ellis isn't positive , I’m speaking my mind on a forum that’s all , the man is very experienced in the world of kitchens sales and promotions, can that be brought over to an entertainment business , hopefully. Ellis is the best thing to happen to this club in possibly 50 years , but fortunately we all have our own opinions , even if that goes against the grain , after all poptart that is what a forum is all about ,peoples opinions

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Quote: Kettykat "Where did I say Ellis isn't positive , I’m speaking my mind on a forum that’s all , the man is very experienced in the world of kitchens sales and promotions, can that be brought over to an entertainment business , hopefully. Ellis is the best thing to happen to this club in possibly 50 years , but fortunately we all have our own opinions , even if that goes against the grain , after all poptart that is what a forum is all about ,peoples opinions'"


You don't have to use the 'this is a forum' thing. You can say what you like. I'm just asking what you mean, as in response to a previous post you implied that analysing the crowds before building was not the right way and "surely he must be positive and".... implies to me you don't think he is being positive.

I don't care if you don't. It's completely your opinion. I was just trying to understand it.

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Let's be realistic and face it - Matt Ellis will do what he thinks is best....
I for one are more than happy to let him get on with it....

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Drove past the ground today the gantry looks excellent just like a mini stand

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