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| Quote: supercat "Yes think some people on here need a reality check. If anyone thought that we were going to put 13 english players and a few oversees players are seriously mistaken. We are in a massive transitional period at moment due to circumstances that we all know about. As mentioned even with 3 year superleague license we are probably still going to be known as a vunerable team until we make some good progress over the next 2 years both on and off the field. Even though putting as many english based players would suit some loyal fans it could prove to be a far greater risk than bringing in some experienced players who may help us reach greater things. There are a quite a few fans who are expecting good things from us and would probably be out the door if the going got tough. RUGBY LEAGUE FANS ARE THE MOST FICKLE FANS IN THE WORLD!!!'"
I would expect the club could lose Tony, one of Collis or Mellars plus Southern and not be too adversely affected. That would still leave two overseas spots available for the rumoured John and Smith signing's. Not such a problem after all.
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| Hopefully over the course of the next few years, we will see quality coming out of the academy because that's the only way we'll have a decent side with mostly British players in. There's no quick fix from the position we were in but this 1873 money should push things in the right direction as far as bringing young players through our own system. If in a few years time we are still in the same position then it's the time to start asking questions.
For the upcoming year or two it's about being competitive each game and playing some attractive rugby that will get some bums on seats. Hopefully as each season goes by if everything goes to plan we can become less reliant on foreign players and more on Wakey trained ones.
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| We'll still start with more homegrown players than the national team.
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| I also agree with Boyem, most people won't care how many home grown players there are in the team on a weekend but we know from past experience you will always be given a chance at our club so I'm pretty sure all our promising youngsters will get game time it'll just be a question of how much. It was interesting to see our crowds pretty healthy last season despite our struggles on the pitch, with a much better squad able to compete again, I'm sure they'll get even healthier. My dad who lives in Crewe is on about starting up again, he's seen all our glory days of the past so if he's wanting to make an effort from Cheshire and he can't even drive then things really must be getting encouraging.
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| It's pretty easy to focus on the imports, but in reality Wakefield have probably more home grown talent IN THE LEAGUE than just about any other team, the reality is that decent English players are at such a premium and we lack the funding to keep our best players.
Currently playing we would have a 1-17 that either started at trinity or were given a second chance by the club, I am sure I don't really need to list them ..
Brough, Moore, Atkins, westwood, murphy, Pitts, griffin, Ellis, ferguson, Hudson, fox, not to mention the current squad players and all the ones that are playing in the lower leagues that nearly made it
Those so called second rate Aussies have actually kept our club in sl
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| Quote: Lorrys daily strap "It's pretty easy to focus on the imports, but in reality Wakefield have probably more home grown talent IN THE LEAGUE than just about any other team, the reality is that decent English players are at such a premium and we lack the funding to keep our best players.
Currently playing we would have a 1-17 that either started at trinity or were given a second chance by the club, I am sure I don't really need to list them ..
Brough, Moore, Atkins, westwood, murphy, Pitts, griffin, Ellis, ferguson, Hudson, fox, not to mention the current squad players and all the ones that are playing in the lower leagues that nearly made it
Those so called second rate Aussies have actually kept our club in sl'"
Mason, Snitch, Griffin, Griffin, Wildie, Davey, Morton, Walshaw, Wood
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| Quote: Lorrys daily strap "
Those so called second rate Aussies have actually kept our club in sl'"
Yes they have but the idea now is that clubs shouldn't need to rely on quick fix, short term, second rate overseas players. Hopefully the security of 3 years, the introduction of the 1873 lottery and the stability of the new owner will see us moving away from the need to keep using these players.
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| Quote: Lorrys daily strap " and we lack the funding to keep our best players.
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Tongia, Winterstein & Leano all come over mid season in the last 2 years- how much do you recon that cost us? Flying half way round the world and relocating costs a fair few quid.
Maybe if we hadn't wasted Christ knows how many thousands of pounds on dross such as Lionel harbin, Alfie Songaro, Albert Talipue, Clinton O'Brian, Dallas Hood, Julian O'Neil, Frank Watene and many many more back in the day then we could have afforded to maybe keep the likes of Mason, Jackson, Hudson Westwood and then we wouldn't need to be drafting in the likes of Tim Smith, Vince Mellors, Sam obst (?) and other 2nd rate imports and journeymen.
Maybe with the money we are paying Mellars and Collis we could have had more of a chance of keeping Murphy.
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| Quote: J.T "Yes they have but the idea now is that clubs shouldn't need to rely on quick fix, short term, second rate overseas players. Hopefully the security of 3 years, the introduction of the 1873 lottery and the stability of the new owner will see us moving away from the need to keep using these players.'"
The club and the coaching staff are fully aware of this need and we will hopefully see progress in this area over the coming years. The current junior players have a challenge to rise to the level required - physically and mentally - for SL - it's theirs if they want it!
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| Quote: Tommy Duckfingers "Maybe if we hadn't wasted Christ knows how many thousands of pounds on dross such as Lionel harbin, Alfie Songaro, Albert Talipue, Clinton O'Brian, Dallas Hood, Julian O'Neil, Frank Watene and many many more back in the day then we could have afforded to maybe keep the likes of Mason, Jackson, Hudson Westwood and then we wouldn't need to be drafting in the likes of Tim Smith, Vince Mellors, Sam obst (?) and other 2nd rate imports and journeymen.'"
I think the goal is to achieve what you've described above, but there is some recognition that it can't be done this season, so there has been some recourse to journeymen and imports. If we're still doing it at the same level in years 2 and 3, I'll start to worry.
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| I accept we kept our place in SL at Cas thanks to overseas players and from my memory there was Rooney + 1 gb player in the first 13 and if not for them we would be in oblivion. In fairness to those players, it meant a lot to them as well.(what was the team that day anyone?)
Last year, with minimal funds, we unearthered Johnson and Mariano who now look to have good prospects for an SL future. Mariano was way back behind 10 or more overseas players at HKR and their fans will see this as a big loss.
I understand the thought process, but who will be our Johnson/ Mariano from this seasons signings.
If SL clubs all made a mutual agreement to reduce the numbers, regardless of residency etc, we would still support our teams as it would be a level playing field, bank balances would improve and maybe England.
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simpsons/simp019.gif We put this festival on you ba****ds
With whole lotta love
We worked for one year for you pigs
And you wanna break our walls down
And you wanna destroy
Well you go to hell:simpsons/simp019.gif |
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| Quote: robbed in 68 "I accept we kept our place in SL at Cas thanks to overseas players and from my memory there was Rooney + 1 gb player in the first 13 and if not for them we would be in oblivion. In fairness to those players, it meant a lot to them as well.(what was the team that day anyone?)
Last year, with minimal funds, we unearthered Johnson and Mariano who now look to have good prospects for an SL future. Mariano was way back behind 10 or more overseas players at HKR and their fans will see this as a big loss.
I understand the thought process, but who will be our Johnson/ Mariano from this seasons signings.
If SL clubs all made a mutual agreement to reduce the numbers, regardless of residency etc, we would still support our teams as it would be a level playing field, bank balances would improve and maybe England.'"
Wasnt it the Bradford game we only had March, rooney & Griff out of the 18?
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| I understand what people are saying with respect to building the squad up over a number of years to gradually include less overseas players, but my argument is that there are at least three of the current six and the potential eight overseas players who are not needed right now.
If the club forever looked to get around the loop holes they will never find themselves in a position to reduce its reliance upon them. There will always be an excuse, and there has been since the club made it back into the top flight. The only reason the young kids got their chance last season was down to the financial situation, as soon as the imports could oust them they did, and it could be argued that as they were introduced the performances of the team somewhat waned.
As I said early, drop one of Mellars or Collis, Tony and Southern and would the squad be hugely weakened? I think not.
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| Quote: Khlav Kalash "I understand what people are saying with respect to building the squad up over a number of years to gradually include less overseas players, but my argument is that there are at least three of the current six and the potential eight overseas players who are not needed right now.
If the club forever looked to get around the loop holes they will never find themselves in a position to reduce its reliance upon them. There will always be an excuse, and there has been since the club made it back into the top flight. The only reason the young kids got their chance last season was down to the financial situation, as soon as the imports could oust them they did, and it could be argued that as they were introduced the performances of the team somewhat waned.
As I said early, drop one of Mellars or Collis, Tony and Southern and would the squad be hugely weakened? I think not.'"
Southern will be one of our best forwards next year, he is a quality player. I'd have loved Murphy to stay but to sign him would have probably cost what we are paying Mellars & Collis combined, thats the premium put on English players these days, even ones that are far from world beaters like Murphy. So which gives the most value for money to a club that can't spend the full cap yet and can't attract top class internationals? Sorry but the club are going down the only real path available right now to them if we want to be competitive. The difference this time will hopefully be that we have people in charge who know how to build a sustainable business and grow it so in three years time we can start moving down the preferred english player route. Until then we will have to grin and bear it.
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| Quote: Theboyem "Southern will be one of our best forwards next year, he is a quality player. I'd have loved Murphy to stay but to sign him would have probably cost what we are paying Mellars & Collis combined, thats the premium put on English players these days, even ones that are far from world beaters like Murphy. So which gives the most value for money to a club that can't spend the full cap yet and can't attract top class internationals? Sorry but the club are going down the only real path available right now to them if we want to be competitive. The difference this time will hopefully be that we have people in charge who know how to build a sustainable business and grow it so in three years time we can start moving down the preferred english player route. Until then we will have to grin and bear it.'"
I know absolutely nowt about what the players earn but most things boil down to simple economics and so there is probably logic in what you say.
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