I hope hope we do play Moore, but what worries me is it will be his first SL game and if he doesnt go too good, instead of giving him a run of games to prove himself some vultures on here will be staright in with the 'hes not SL standard and i told you he would be crap etc' i just hope people give him a few games before judgement..

Especially the ones who were pushing for his selection

Correct. Just like the 'Blaydire' gang you will almost be able to hear them creaming themselves if he has a poor game, very sad.

Are you the other half of the RLFANS coaching team who knows it's best not to play him? Given that he is the only half back in the squad and that JK, who will have seen him more often and closely than anyone on here, picked that squad I don't really understand your point. It's a gamble I think we all realise that but seems a fairly calculated one to me given recent performances.

I don't think JK had the slightest intention of playing Moore this season, and rightly so as from what I'm told he is nowhere near ready. That said it makes the decision to let BJ go without an obvious replacement even more staggering! He probably will have to play be default.

Also, some seem to think he is our only H/B, but he isn't. Wildie is also a proper H/B. Wildie is doing OK but he's still struggling to make any real impact creatively on the game, what makes folk think Moore will do any better.

Despite being eratic Lee is far and away the best H/B we now have and that tells you just how weak we are in that position.

At the start of the 2009 season we had Brough, Obst, Latu, Rooney and Drew in Kears pivot positions! Even with what now looks an embarrassment of riches we only managed top 8 and an early exit from the play offs.

We are doing well to score let alone win games IMO. We started this season with everyone accepting that we would take what we could get. We over achieved in April and now expectations are OTT, again! Quality posters moaning about boring predictable play as if anything else is possible with the players we have. Even the edition of a quality H/B would make little difference as IMO the learning curve this team is on is too steep for most players to keep up.

Kear IMO sends the players out with these basic tactics because he knows we have nobody on the pitch other than perhaps Rinaldi on a good day with the nouse to make anything better work. If we stay in SL we need a new hooker and new H/B minimum to move on and that's working on the assumption Moore, Davey and Wildie actually make it. We have fallen a long way behind.

Initially that wasn't the new boards fault, I can see their reasoning even holding back now although I just don't get the BJ thing. Maybe they should do more but IMO their options are very limited. What is for certain is if we do stay in SL big money needs spending and if Hudds and our own previous experience in SL is anything to go by wait about 4 seasons for the team to click!

Instant or even imminent improvement - forget it IMO.

I have to disagree with that. Even with Brough, Obst, Latu, Rooney and Drew in the side we still used the same one out tactic that we use today. The difference being that we could still be creative in attack because of the likes of Brough/Latu/Drew and their ability to do something unexpected. We don't have that to fall back on any more, however I do agree that the OTT expectations merely add fuel to the frustration at our lack of attacking ability in the halves.

A bit of blind faith and the fact that nobody really knows if he will step up to the plate or not.



I think most people do accept that and we already have more points than I thought we would get but that doesn't mean I will stop wanting more from this team. I think you are little unfair on this team as even against a very good Catalan side we were 10 points behind and camped in their half for a decent period in the second half and a little bit of quality near the line could have made all the difference, same against cas in the cup.

I agree with what you are saying. The fact that we had Brough, Drew and Rooney putting the kick in or controlling the last play meant that we were a lot more exciting to watch because all 3 of those could create something out of nothing and/or had excellent kicking and unfortunately our current half backs don't have this capability. Maybe Moore will be able to solve this, maybe he wont but I think he needs to get the chance to prove himself.

Our attack has been lacking a spark and Moore deserves a chance in the halves. Same with Wildie. It cant get any worse. People have also said that Moore is not great defensively. Again we cant do much worse as our wide defense is woeful. About time we showed some faith in the likes of Wildie and Moore and put them in the halves for an extended run. If they dont make it then so be it. We cant say we did not try.

So basically you agree 100% with what I said

I think buying Moore was blind faith and as I said I think we have little choice but to play him, what I'm saying is it probably wasn't in the plan and I'm not expecting much but I'm hoping for the earth.

I don't like the situation either but for me that's how it is, teams and teamwork simply take time to build. Time is the most precious commodity in sport IMO and we never seem to have enough of it.

Not unfair on the team at all, I have not criticised the team this season Quite the opposite, I thought we did OK and like everyone else could see what was missing. I also give credit to Catalan who were simply better. Again what I'm saying is that I can't see a quick fix to our creative problem, if Moores it I will feast happily on my own words (needs to do it more than one game).

You can tell how far we've fallen behind in the creativity stakes when I found myself thinking on sunday that even Glen Tomlinson would improve this side! Its right what has been said that Tommy Lee has been our best bet at halfback all season and he isn't a halfback! But we seem to be going backwards and the time has come to give something else a go and the next in line is Moore. The season is effectively over so what have we got to lose? I would have liked him and Wildie to be paired together and seen how they went. Can understand why people might want the extra experience there but these two are the future. At least they are both natural halfbacks. Wildie has got a go a little earlier than planned, he's another one that if circumstances had been different I would have have liked to see out on a dual reg to help develop him gradually. We tried the same same with Davey but he has ended up playing a good few games. But they are what we have and they deserve their chance. I was talking to someone who sees the players in the gym and he commented that 'they're just boys'. This has to be be remembered and our expectations should be set accordingly but its right to say that it makes the fee-less release of Jeffries (mom for bradford on sunday I notice) a very strange one. But I think improvements can be made and I would like to see the lads we have express themselves a little more. A lot of our players aren't world beaters its true but have more talent than they are being allowed to show. If done in a controlled manner within a structured gameplan I reckon theres enough in there that might just surprise a few teams and make us a more attractive proposition to watch.

Vastman reference your opinions above" you dont think he had any intention of playing moore this season" ???
Lets be realistic...they tried signing him previously and not to play in the 20's. From the players perspective would he leave a club going well in championship, top points and try scorer to go back to reserve rugby when he had served his time at Leeds academy and left due to that scenario. although its only scotland he is still an 'International' so would he really leave to go back and play 20's (Which he is actually too old for in reality)I think your assumptions on that subject are complete and utter tosh to be honest. next to be nowhere near ready again lets look at the facts, he has played and apparently dominated the championship in a mid to bottom table team as they have been for a season and a bit,as well as taking them to the NR Cup win. Please note this is a much higher level than Under 20's where many have been promoted into the first team so in reality he has far more experience than the likes of Wildie and Annekin for example. Again Vastman your comments are totally innaccurate.
You talk about BJ but if you actually spoke to coaching staff and get their opinions on BJ it was all the same....no consistency, selective in what games he performed in and generally better performances against weaker opposition.
If you have ever played at any kind of level you would not come close to understanding the speed, fitness and intensity required for Super League, so these young kids will all need time to adapt and to grow into more experienced players to succeed at this level, and rather than slate them you should maybe back them and understand they will not become world beaters over night. It is far easier to draft young inexperienced kids into a top of the table team like wigan than a makeshift wakey side.

how can you miss out korkidas. he was our best prop last week by a country mile as was said by an earlier poster. mc carthy can be a bit dodgy with the offloads although higgins off loaded 3 times last week and all 3 attempts went to the opposition. we need our biggest and nastiest this week with all the aggression they can muster. t.w.a.s

This is the bit that I don't get. We all know that BJ was inconsistent, but I don't believe for a minute that it was all his fault - as we know HB's need a dominant pack to play well. However, just who are these weaker teams you speak of, and are these not the very ones where we hope to gain our slim pickings? No business should get rid of one of it's prime assetts without having something to replace it with, but here is the problem - JK didn't see BJ as an assett. On that basis we have released the player that many of us (me included) believed to be our most creative HB. I appreciate that JK's opinion is a million miles above mine, but for the life of me I cannot understand decisions such as this or, potentially, to bring in Semi as an 'exciting signing'.

If, as a club, the backdrop to BJ leaving is that we are throwing in the towel on SL, then perhaps I can understand it to some extent - and it's not as if the club can tell us that that is what they are doing as the season would collapse - it would also explain the thinking of signing a popular player on a short term fix contract. If however we are genuinely fighting to stay in SL, then some serious thinking needs to be done to ensure that decisions such as this are 3-dimensional, and not, as it would seem, just to suit the player or be a short term fix - unless that fix is genuine quality that can help us win 6 or 7 games from what's left of this season - if only to ensure that we appear competitive when measured against our rival clubs.

I regret that on the rugby side of things all things point to one division at this moment!