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| Quote: Trinity 61 "I may proved wrong but I am sure at the meeting where Franny Stephenson outlined the franchise application he was putting together involving the stadium architects plans there was proviso in the bid to play at another ground in the interim providing a 5 year lease had been agreed.It waas stated that this had been done.
Also would Barnsley FC not embrace their stadium being used at a time when no football is being played between May and September? Income they would not normally receive.
Serious question this, how much of your support do you think you would retain if you were to play all your home games in Barnsley for the next 5 years. I am not wanting to question your fans loyalty but if you are putting a team of similar quality on the field to the one you have at the moment i think it would be a big ask for even the most die hard fan, but i could be wrong.
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| Quote: tigerman10 "Serious question this, how much of your support do you think you would retain if you were to play all your home games in Barnsley for the next 5 years. I am not wanting to question your fans loyalty but if you are putting a team of similar quality on the field to the one you have at the moment i think it would be a big ask for even the most die hard fan, but i could be wrong.'"
I would say 50%, there is a chance that the 2000 souls who make the regular journey from Wakefield would be supplemented with an increase in away supporters plus curious locals so the crowds wouldn't be much lower than what would be expected at BV.
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| Quote: Khlav Kalash "I would say 50%, there is a chance that the 2000 souls who make the regular journey from Wakefield would be supplemented with an increase in away supporters plus curious locals so the crowds wouldn't be much lower than what would be expected at BV.'"
I don't know if i could go with that but you may be correct, I also think that there could well be a big price rise on the gate as i dont think the rent would come cheap. I know it looks as though a move to a football stadium is the only option at the moment but i think this could do more damage to the club than a drop to the championship with the revenue it would lose. But at the moment this is all just speculation.
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| No doubt it would be hard, but in any such move the key would be the marketing. A simple scheme permitting Barnsley, if that's where Trinity end up, season ticket holders to gain entry for half price would be a good start.
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| I understood it that the minimum lease agreement had to be 5 years but the commitment to play there was open ended- hence if the new stadium was ready in 12 months then the lease would be terminated by mutual consent- so playing at Oakwell for instance would not be for 5 years.
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| Quote: Trinity 61 "I understood it that the minimum lease agreement had to be 5 years but the commitment to play there was open ended- hence if the new stadium was ready in 12 months then the lease would be terminated by mutual consent- so playing at Oakwell for instance would not be for 5 years.'"
I understand that and it would be all well and good if Barnsley or the council would be ok with a openended deal, but if this thing did drag on for even a 3 year period (thats not to say it will as it could all be sorted in 12 months) i think the damage it would do to the club financially would be very detremental to its future existance.
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| all this talk of wakefield struggling with the stadium,but cas,i believe are still to put planning applications in??interesting times ahead.
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| Quote: tigerman10 "I understand that and it would be all well and good if Barnsley or the council would be ok with a openended deal, but if this thing did drag on for even a 3 year period (thats not to say it will as it could all be sorted in 12 months) i think the damage it would do to the club financially would be very detremental to its future existance.'"
You could be right but it may come down to Hobsons choice ie. Barnsley or nowhere!!!
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| Quote: jimmyfivebellies "all this talk of wakefield struggling with the stadium,but cas,i believe are still to put planning applications in??interesting times ahead.'"
Keep up!
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| I suspect our plan B was inextricably linked with plan A, and was only meant to tide us over for a few months until Newmarket was completed. As a long-term plan, it would struggle to save a franchise. Much depends on the amount of rent we'd be paying to play there, of course, but the loss of other revenue streams for a club that is already struggling to match the big spenders would probably be too much. If we were to relocate the franchise, in true franchise style, then we may as well pick Birmingham or somewhere sufficiently far away for the RFL to keep the Wildcats brand alive at all costs. Of course, this would have nothing more to do with Wakefield Trinity, which would be gone with Belle Vue.
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| Quote: RebelRebel "I suspect our plan B was inextricably linked with plan A, and was only meant to tide us over for a few months until Newmarket was completed. As a long-term plan, it would struggle to save a franchise. Much depends on the amount of rent we'd be paying to play there, of course, but the loss of other revenue streams for a club that is already struggling to match the big spenders would probably be too much. If we were to relocate the franchise, in true franchise style, then we may as well pick Birmingham or somewhere sufficiently far away for the RFL to keep the Wildcats brand alive at all costs. Of course, this would have nothing more to do with Wakefield Trinity, which would be gone with Belle Vue.'"
I can't believe that there was no planning for one of the possible outcomes, and the Plan B, whatever it is, may only be for a season longer than first anticipated. I reckon we could survive that. We probably wouldn't do much on the field, because we would probably play young players, but it would keep us in the hunt.
I don't think the issue is how our Plan B would fare financially. It would be how the Plan B would go down with the RFL that would be the issue. Plan B and NL1 combined would be the killer blow, not maybe just one of them.
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| Quote: RebelRebel "I suspect our plan B was inextricably linked with plan A, and was only meant to tide us over for a few months until Newmarket was completed. As a long-term plan, it would struggle to save a franchise. Much depends on the amount of rent we'd be paying to play there, of course, but the loss of other revenue streams for a club that is already struggling to match the big spenders would probably be too much. If we were to relocate the franchise, in true franchise style, then we may as well pick Birmingham or somewhere sufficiently far away for the RFL to keep the Wildcats brand alive at all costs. Of course, this would have nothing more to do with Wakefield Trinity, which would be gone with Belle Vue.'"
Agreed mate. If we have a well thought out plan B (which I doubt), it should already have been agreed and be capable of being made public before the end of this week. This would at least give us some small hope for the future.
We are past masters on putting all our eggs in one basket and it coming back to haunt us.
Say what you want about Dicky Wright (and I think he's a tool), but if Cas manage to build their Stadium that is some achievement in the current climate even if it may take longer than they originally stated.
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| Quote: Tricky2309 "Say what you want about Dicky Wright (and I think he's a tool), but if Cas manage to build their Stadium that is some achievement in the current climate even if it may take longer than they originally stated.'"
That's fair comment, and to be fair to Cas, the obstacles have been external factors, such as the chemical licence. Although I don't understand all the ins and outs, the impression I get is that if Hicksons wasn't where it was, they would have been playing at Glasshoughton for a couple of years.
Our problem has also been that we have never been in charge of our own destiny, and strokes of the pen by two sets of politicians have cost us.
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| 5 year contract to play at Oakwell RFL approved, option to come out of the deal early when Newmarket is ready. Newmarket project is still on, York court and the community trust are more determined than ever to deliver this project plus major retail company wanting in on the project, every little helps. New money and people coming on board, new City centre shop to keep a City centre presence while playing at Barnsley. Thats whats been doing the rounds in the merry city and is what will be presented in the Shareholders meeting in a couple of weeks. Everything doesn't seem as bad as it did yesterday
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| Quote: M62 J30 TRINITY "5 year contract to play at Oakwell RFL approved, option to come out of the deal early when Newmarket is ready. Newmarket project is still on, York court and the community trust are more determined than ever to deliver this project plus major retail company wanting in on the project, every little helps. New money and people coming on board, new City centre shop to keep a City centre presence while playing at Barnsley. Thats whats been doing the rounds in the merry city and is what will be presented in the Shareholders meeting in a couple of weeks. Everything doesn't seem as bad as it did yesterday'"
I'll have some of what your taking please.
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