Tomorrow will be fun !!

And my typing is as bad as Agar's coaching, I know

You have nothing positive to say about anything from what I have read of your posts,

You have to live with the fact that we are still on the lowest SL budget we have a thin squad and quite frankly when key players from our squad have been injured we have suffered fact. I actually agree with some of RA decisions on players some of them need game time and you can only put 17 on the pitch, all will get a chance to play as part of their development.

Its frustrating yes but life is like that at times Cas last week we were poor but over the last few years or 30 or so I would rather watch the last couple of seasons offering. The key is the structures of the club in the background and that takes years to sort ala Leeds and Wigan but given the chance it will come obviously patience is not everyones strength.

I'm not part of the clib but I've been involved recently to a point where I've seen the background and had feedback from some players.
The one thing I get from them is that they DO like Agar and there is a good team spirit.

Agar's win record is as good as most Trinity coaches and I've seen many games where we've lost to only a few points.
To me that makes some od the remarks about Agar on here quite ridiculous.
I remember similar comments when he started and when we lost against Cas at home.

It seems some simply can't let it go and want to jump on him at the first sign of a wobble.
We are going to lose games, and we are certainly going to lose some when we have injuries like we have now.

Why not just support the players that are playing and see what happens.

Bottom line is the clubs skint and we've lost walk ups today based on the last couple or performances, we can debate all day but it won't change this.

Most on here have a season tickets and will go and support the club/team but a lot of the walk ups will stay in town today in the pubs or soaking up the sun.

I don't think we should overlook the clubs running hand to mouth and this will hurts us.

I understand we are "work in progress" and its not easy but i am worried.

comon poptart apart from sykes i think wehad a full strengh side when we were thrashed last week ,and what about the collapse at hull kr give folk a bit of credit we know were going to lose games its the performance and how we lose them that gets folk you and afew more are the ones who want to get real there looks to be problems that need arresting starting with a commited display against wigan a game that us realists dont expect but hope to win

Yes this is a concern, but I am also worried about next years season ticket sales. Whilst the majority of us on here will buy a season ticket when the price goes up, some will either not bother or will pick and choose the games they come to see and that will equate to less revenue for the club.

The way the club is run is also a concern to me. The administration side of things doesn't appear to have improved greatly from under the old regime, and it appears we are operating on a "speculate to accumulate" basis, basically employing lots of people in various sales roles and bringing out loads of different merchandise which all adds to the clubs cost base and hoping that we can sell enough stuff to make a profit. Considering the fairly limited consumer base we currently have, and the fact that money is tight for a lot of people, this is imo a dangerous way to go - especially if the product on the pitch is not up to scratch.

When Bradford were in the crap last year, the team pulled together and adopted a siege mentality and had a good season. I am not saying were in the same position as Bradford were financially, but we clearly aren't "cash rich", and if the squad have this "team spirit" that were always told about, then they need to adopt a similar mentality to Bradford did last year and we will see an upturn in performances and possibly results at the same time, which is in their and everyone else associated with the clubs interests.

You've called that spot on old lad.

People who are shouting about agar should realise he dosn't have that much to work with and which coach in their right mind would want to join us in the state we are in at the moment.

I haven't the time to read all the posts on here, but here is my take.

Agar is OK - not the greatest, but a down to earth pragmatist who seems to fit well at Wakey.

He has a tight budget and, unlike previous seasons, we have tried to spend bigger on the first 17/19 and use the juniors to make up the squad. It's a ploy used by several clubs, except - for all sorts of reasons - we don't seem to have either the quality / quantity of decent juniors that is needed to make this work. 1 or 2 injuries and we look weak, hence, another part of our poor performance is that we are asking players to play injured - not good!

Whether Agar is responsible for Walshaw / Trout / Wildie / Cowling not breaking through is up for debate. I personally feel that we have helped them fail to make the grade by not giving them the opportunity!

We have recruited well generally - yes there have been mistakes (and with Lyne I think Agar is being stubborn in trying to prove he was right and not acknowledging that he hasn't made the grade required - yet) but we have some great players at Wakey and some honest ones too!

Fitness is a problem! As well as pushing players out who are not 100%, I understand that the players have complained that, at times, they are knackered - they certainly appear that way at the start of several games. If this is correct then it could be hugely significant and maybe the root cause of our repeated under-performance! This is not necessarily Agars fault, but he is in charge!

Tim Smith is a problem! I don't know if it is because of our pack being beaten or not, or whether he is missing his buddy, but Tim is not the player he was at the end of last season - in fact he is back close to the player who was roundly boo'd off mid-season 2012. We can't afford this, just as Cas can't afford Chase to be poor or KR with Dobson. We have only one Wizard, and he is certainly wouldn't get in the magic circle as he is now. Whatever the problem is, we need it sorting - and quickly!

The final issue I would mention is motivation. I've met Richard and he is a smashing bloke who loves this game to bits and is a thinker of the game, but I am not so sure that he has it in him to 'strip the paint' when it is needed, and I think John Kear wins hands down in that department.

So the summary I would give is that I would offer him a 6.5 / 10 - good enough not to want to get shut, but plenty of room for improvement. We expected some tough times last season and didn't really get them, this year we expected to consolidate and we've hit tough times, the coach will earn his coin by getting us out of this situation and putting results back on the table - if he doesn't.....

Which makes farming Mariano out on loan (which according to Fev doesn't have a recall option) all the more crazy

Is he staying or are we still getting shut?

It's crazy to even suggest it IMO. Less than 10 months (including an off season) after our unlikely playoff appearance and record SL winning streak because we have hit some bad form?

Let the man finish what he started and judge him on where we finish at the end of the season.

I don't diagree about those games but just as a one off win doesn't make Agar coach of the year, a dip in form should get him the Agar out thread.....in my opinion.

I'm happy at the moment. Changing coach will not help anyone.

I think the failure of our youth policy in recent years has to be attributed to Kear - he was disinterested in the youth development side of the club and often refused to communicate with the scholarship coaching staff; the players we are now attempting to bring through were, as a result, inadequately prepared for life in SL and hadn't trained in the structures and systems of the 1st team. The fact that Agar has managed to salvage a few of them is to his credit and I think the new regime for youth development will start to pay dividends in the coming years - it's no quick fix though.

For reference, I was at the game yesterday and I know for a fact that once again, the youth coaches were entertaining 5 of the brightest U14 players in the region, along with their community coaches and parents; I don't know much about the other age groups, but I do know that if the majority of the new scholarship development squad are signed on at 15, we'll have a crop of genuinely outstanding young lads in our system.

after 22 pages Bren I think we have a winning post!

The proof of the pudding was there for all to see on SUNDAY  , those who were in the  ALL CONQUERING 18s   stood up the the plate , and  I believe others would have ,RFA stated at the evening with , they only looked good in there year because other teams played weaker players , that in my opinion is a load of rubbish (which can only have come someone who was at the club then and who still is now) . I watched the team and still do , missing only the Aldershot fixtures and it was actually the opposite , because we were so good, teams played there strongest side not weaker ,

got to agree its a myth for folk to say other clubs played weaker teams wigan may have done against some clubs but against us ,they didnt ive a programme for the game before thefinal and im sure the wigan side for that game would have been stronger , jack murphy was at fullback, matty russell whos at gold coast titans was on wing ,josh charnley was one centre ian thornley was another sam powell who played half back yesterday played as did logan tomkins and jack hughes who didnt play yesterday but as played plenty of games for the first team ,saints played tommy malkinson,nathan ash and lee gaskell to name some from memory whil e in the cas team we beat in a great night at wheldon rd were jordan thompson ,darren clarke ,adam milner and oliver holmes among others ,they also did the double over mr agars 18s at hull take it from me this team was good and never received the credit they deserved mainlybecause it wasnt on for wakefield to win a competision destined for the big names in the league

Hi Everyone, haven't been on here for a while, sad to see what's happening. As for the players when I saw that you had signed Tim Smith my heart went out to you. Poorest excuse for a halfback I have ever witnessed.
Hang in there hope things get better you guys deserve it
Cheers
Con

You can't have witnessed much then - his form has been a bit streaky but on song, he's outstanding with ball in hand; a couple of months ago, he was realistically being talked about as one of the form hb's in SL.

does Tim Smith merit his place back if he;s fit next week???????

YES

absolutely YES

Need Smith in and Wood to perform as last match.
OK Tim has been a bit off lately , but when on song pure class.
Maybe he has been carrying an injury.

He also needs his forwards to do the job they did on Sunday; behind a beaten pack, his options are severely limited as he's not the type to get you out of a hole with a pinpoint kick like, for example, Broughy or Holdsworth - his strength is in attacking plays, which you can't put on from your own 30 metre line.

Lol, can't have seen much of him at Trinity then. Yes he's had a poor few games lately but he wasn't the only one, on the whole though he's been excellent for us and nearly all of our better attacking stuff comes through him