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| Quote: Trojan Horse "I think there will be one spot for grabs in 2025 with London. It will be between us, Toulouse and bulls for it. Adding the LED boards before the scores and performing well on the pitch should see us claim that spot.'"
Why are you not putting Cas or Salford in that?
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| I'm confident we will grade higher than at least 2 current SL teams.
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| Quote: PopTart "I assume you mean maximum points on the stadium section?
That would actually mean your average crowd is also your capacity.
More likely they mean they get maximum on the facilities part of that section which gets you an extra point if you do.'"
Correct, I should have made that clearer.
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| If Cas finish 11th this year, their league points will drop by 0.15 points.
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| Quote: dboy "If Cas finish 11th this year, their league points will drop by 0.15 points.'"
That's not quite correct.
The way it's worked out you can only drop in multiples of 0.11.
And it depends what other teams around them do as it's an average over 3 years.
But from my calculations they'll actually lose 0.22 points assuming both Leigh and Hull finish higher than them.
They would have 2.89 points for league position if they finish 11th.
They had 3.11 last time.
If we win GF we'd end up with 2.67 points (assuming London don't finish higher than 12th.
But if we do win GF and 1895 we'd have an extra bonus on 0.35 taking us to 3.02.......0.13 higher than Cas.
Fine margins.
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| They'd go from a 7th, 7th, 11th average, to a 7th, 11th, 11th average.
2021 7 3.3333
2022 7 3.3333
2023 11 2.8889 3.1852 3-year ave
2024 11 2.8889 3.0370 3-year ave
0.1481 drop
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| Quote: dboy "They'd go from a 7th, 7th, 11th average, to a 7th, 11th, 11th average.
2021 7 3.3333
2022 7 3.3333
2023 11 2.8889 3.1852 3-year ave
2024 11 2.8889 3.0370 3-year ave
0.1481 drop'"
I agree. But that isn't the end of the calculation.
Once that is done, the teams are reordered into a league table and given a new score.
So last time 3.1852 put them in 9th so were allocated 3.11, with Hull and Leigh below them.
This year Leigh will be much higher and Hull I think will just scrape above over the average, putting Cas in 11th.
So the actual points for the IMG score drops 0.22
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| Quote: PopTart "I agree. But that isn't the end of the calculation.
Once that is done, the teams are reordered into a league table and given a new score.
So last time 3.1852 put them in 9th so were allocated 3.11, with Hull and Leigh below them.
This year Leigh will be much higher and Hull I think will just scrape above over the average, putting Cas in 11th.
So the actual points for the IMG score drops 0.22'"
IMG seem to have brought in an environment where clubs are making strides both on and off the pitch, which is clearly a good thing but, the fine margins as to whether a club is in or out of SL next season is getting quite ridiculous and it's not "sport" anymore.
The sooner that we can achieve a grade A the better.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "The sooner that we can achieve a grade A the better.'"
.... and maintain.
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| 0.22 is bigger than 0.15.
Are you are saying that 7/11/11 averages as 9.666, and it's that calculation that is re-ranked and then attributed the performance score?
In that scenario, we would be 10/12/13 = 11.666, so you are looking at whether another club could/would drop in between and change the 3 year rankings?
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On-field performance scores based on the last three seasons.
St Helens 4.75
Wigan Warriors 4.1389
Leeds Rhinos 3.7778
Catalans Dragons 3.6667
Huddersfield Giants 3.5556
Hull FC 3.4444
Warrington Wolves3.3333
Castleford Tigers 3.2222
Hull KR 3.1111
Salford Red Devils 3
Leigh Leopards 2.916
Wakefield Trinity 2.8889
Toulouse Olympique 2.7778
Featherstone Rovers 2.6556
Batley Bulldogs 2.4444
Halifax Panthers 2.3333
York Knights 2.2222
Bradford Bulls 2.1111
Sheffield Eagles 2
Widnes Vikings 1.8889
London Broncos 1.7778
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... g-27259545
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On-field performance scores based on the last three seasons.
St Helens 4.75
Wigan Warriors 4.1389
Leeds Rhinos 3.7778
Catalans Dragons 3.6667
Huddersfield Giants 3.5556
Hull FC 3.4444
Warrington Wolves3.3333
Castleford Tigers 3.2222
Hull KR 3.1111
Salford Red Devils 3
Leigh Leopards 2.916
Wakefield Trinity 2.8889
Toulouse Olympique 2.7778
Featherstone Rovers 2.6556
Batley Bulldogs 2.4444
Halifax Panthers 2.3333
York Knights 2.2222
Bradford Bulls 2.1111
Sheffield Eagles 2
Widnes Vikings 1.8889
London Broncos 1.7778
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... g-27259545
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| Edge of the seat stuff is this.
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| Quote: Khlav Kalash "Edge of the seat stuff is this.
A slow death indeed...
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| Quote: dboy "0.22 is bigger than 0.15.
Are you are saying that 7/11/11 averages as 9.666, and it's that calculation that is re-ranked and then attributed the performance score?
In that scenario, we would be 10/12/13
Yes
Cas as 7/11/11 would be 3.3334 + 2.8889 + 2.8889 = 9.1114
Average over 3 years is 3.0371
This is the one area that's difficult to predict as you need to know where your team will finish but also where everyone else will finish.
Hull for example had 8/9/10 last time to give a score of 3.11 which put them lower than Cas. But if Cas finish 11th they would have to finish 10th to equal the score or higher to beat them.
In our case, the best we can get is 10/12/13 and that 13th ranking is calculated after the playoffs so if you are 5th but lose in the GF you are ranked as 2nd or 14th in the long list.
But there are additional bonus points for cup winners. Those points aren't included in the average. They are added for one year only.
It's hard to go through this without showing the spreadsheet.
Sorry to all those finding this boring. If I get chance I'll move it to another thread to keep this one about Cas redevelopment.
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| 0.22 is bigger than 0.15.
Not if Cas are doing the maths
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