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| Chester should have gone last season before he ever put us in the position of nearly being relegated. As others have said, this season is a write off with no relegation, so why not use the opportunity to get rid of the deadwood (players and coaches) and start afresh giving the opportunity to young players in a safer (in league position terms) place for the rest of the season.
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| Quote: Egg Banjo "Chester should have gone last season before he ever put us in the position of nearly being relegated. As others have said, this season is a write off with no relegation, so why not use the opportunity to get rid of the deadwood (players and coaches) and start afresh giving the opportunity to young players in a safer (in league position terms) place for the rest of the season.'"
Putting the youngsters in always sounds good in theory but, they need to be drip fed into a side that is playing well.
Just throwing them in, hoping for improvement, wont help the side and more importantly, wont help the kids.
Our forwards were bullied out of the game yesterday.
Do you think throwing 19/20 year old's into that kind of game will help anyone?
Hopefully there will be some opportunities for Chester to have a look at all of the squad and some of the young up and coming players as the season progresses.
There are sure to be some changes for next week just to cover injuries but, if the 17 players go with the same attitude as yesterday, it will be the same result (or worse).
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Putting the youngsters in always sounds good in theory but, they need to be drip fed into a side that is playing well.
Just throwing them in, hoping for improvement, wont help the side and more importantly, wont help the kids.
Our forwards were bullied out of the game yesterday.
Do you think throwing 19/20 year old's into that kind of game will help anyone?
Hopefully there will be some opportunities for Chester to have a look at all of the squad and some of the young up and coming players as the season progresses.
There are sure to be some changes for next week just to cover injuries but, if the 17 players go with the same attitude as yesterday, it will be the same result (or worse).'"
100% with the youngsters bit, we will be sure to mass more injuries than what we have now. I just hope we get a good dressing down, good weeks training and not least a good look at ourselves, man up and go again next weekend on a fresh piece of paper.
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| FWIW CC is probably coming to the end of his time at the club. Poor lads had no luck at all in the last 18 month but all the same unless you are an exceptional coach or a coach at a club with exceptional resources then 4-5 years is pretty much the limit.
We simply don’t have enough players capable of self motivation, quite a few are borderline SL standard. CC has probably got us much out of them as he could. It’s a simple economic truth that 2 years ago we were on the brink of being good. At that point we needed to replace Finn and a few others with some real quality. We simply couldn’t because we don’t have the cash and more importantly we don’t have the draw.
We’ve gone state it’s that simple. We have more quality than I’ve seen but we don’t have any leaders on the field.
I saw this with Toppo and Kear and it would of happened to Kelly. We simply can’t make the leap and haven’t been able too since the sixties. As an aside we are an unlucky club and have been since 68, gypsies curse they say but whatever the reason it’s painful reading.
CC will probably not see out the season. Sad because I think there is an excellent coach in there. I know some folk will shout about Watson at Salford but his time will come. Coaches who have lasted longer than 5 years at any club are rare, it’s just how it is, even in the sainted NRL.
This is all based on previous experience and I would love to be proved wrong I really would. The team currently needs a rocket up it bum and generally it’s very difficult for the incumbent coach to find let alone light the fuse.
Again hope I’m eating my words in a few weeks, it would certainly brighten up an otherwise dreadful year.
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| Quote: vastman "I can’t take this seriously. I’ve been watching since 1989 and I’ve seen far far worse.
Not making excuses we were dreadful but lets get some context.
We were never going to win that was obvious after 10 minutes we never got off the bus. That said injuries played a massive part after that Keats get real. Players totally out of position by the with fat too many having to play way more minutes than normal.
Move on it was a stinker but next week is another game and I’ve rarely seen a Trinity team not respond to a dire performance.'" that Catalan team yesterday were far fitter, faster, stronger, they were hungry and enthusiastic to smash us to bits. We’ve got some decent backs with pace but the way our pack is playing we could have the full Aussie back line and it would be the same.
We built a big pack and we never use what we’ve got, we’ve got to take them on down the middle hard and straight and get on top. We’ve forwards chucking balls out all over the place, it’s so frustrating, we’ve our best prop on the bench get him on the field. We can’t afford to have back rowers just stood out wide against a pack like just passing on like a centre.
Like I say we’ve got big forwards so change the structure and play to them, we we’re crap last week, Wigan had a young inexperienced pack and we should of took them on and bullied them but no change of tactics and we got bullied. Clearly playing the same way over and over and over again isn’t working
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| Quote: vastman "FWIW CC is probably coming to the end of his time at the club. Poor lads had no luck at all in the last 18 month but all the same unless you are an exceptional coach or a coach at a club with exceptional resources then 4-5 years is pretty much the limit.
We simply don’t have enough players capable of self motivation, quite a few are borderline SL standard. CC has probably got us much out of them as he could. It’s a simple economic truth that 2 years ago we were on the brink of being good. At that point we needed to replace Finn and a few others with some real quality. We simply couldn’t because we don’t have the cash and more importantly we don’t have the draw.
We’ve gone state it’s that simple. We have more quality than I’ve seen but we don’t have any leaders on the field.
I saw this with Toppo and Kear and it would of happened to Kelly. We simply can’t make the leap and haven’t been able too since the sixties. As an aside we are an unlucky club and have been since 68, gypsies curse they say but whatever the reason it’s painful reading.
CC will probably not see out the season. Sad because I think there is an excellent coach in there. I know some folk will shout about Watson at Salford but his time will come. Coaches who have lasted longer than 5 years at any club are rare, it’s just how it is, even in the sainted NRL.
This is all based on previous experience and I would love to be proved wrong I really would. The team currently needs a rocket up it bum and generally it’s very difficult for the incumbent coach to find let alone light the fuse.
Again hope I’m eating my words in a few weeks, it would certainly brighten up an otherwise dreadful year.'" il always thought Chris Chester was a very intelligent player and there might be a good coach in there but he’s unwilling to change tactics and adapt and this will prove his downfall
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Putting the youngsters in always sounds good in theory but, they need to be drip fed into a side that is playing well.'"
We haven't had a side which is playing well in a couple of seasons now, just the odd lucky win. There's nothing to lose by removing the lazy senior players and replacing them with someone who might have a spark of desire to win about them.
Under the current coach, there's little to no chance of them seeing any progression, he's more interested in keeping his golfing buddies sweet than developing the squad
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| Quote: dpbnov "My family and I have been supporters of our great club for 38 years. We have also been regular season ticket holders for the same time period as well
I have witnessed some disappointing team performances over the years (and you don’t become and remain a Trinity fan if you expect otherwise), and during that time I have never taken to social media to ventilate my frustration about a game, but I am unable to contain my sheer anger and embarrassment at today’s woeful performance which was quite frankly a disgrace.
Our club has always prided itself on its grit, team spirit and determination but there was none of that on display today. I accept that there were injuries in the game, and that obviously has an effect on the level of performance, but those injuries do not excuse the complete lack of effort and leadership from minute one of the game. The players who took to the pitch today – a virtually full strength side - were highly capable of competing with that Catalans side but they delivered up a performance devoid of effort and any attacking threat and need to take a long hard look at themselves. Whilst many rational fans can overlook a number of issues, a complete lack of effort is not one of them. If many supporters had turned up to work and put the level of effort in that those players did today, the reality is that they would be sacked or at the least be facing some kind of disciplinary process.
It is not just the players who must take responsibility for that performance but also the coaching staff because the team is seemingly incapable of executing basic rugby league skills in both attack and, on the basis of today’s performance, defence. You did not need to listen to the embarrassing Sky commentary of the game to put your finger on the issues with the performance, which have not just appeared overnight but have been gradually developing ever since John Kear’s departure from the club and have often left us, and many supporters we know, feeling more and more disheartened with the direction of the team’s approach to playing the game
Couldn't have summed it up any better. We've been poor for a while now and hve won the odd game here and there. But it's the same problems every week.
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| A win rate over the recent history of 20% is not good enough. We survived last season by winning the final game and this season it will be because there is no relegation. It is not just yesterday’s game but the fact that our performances have deteriorated in both defence and attack since Leeds away. We do not appear to have any pre planned moves and despite the warning in the first minute we were unable to adjust our defence to cover the gaps.
The bottom line is that we are just poor and not once did I see Chester make any attempt to pass on instructions during the game.
I know that the majority of the forum will continue to pay and watch however the team play but it is not us the club need to consider but those that do not buy season tickets, join the club draw or adopt a player who need to be entertained preferably by Wakefield not the opposition. In many ways they were lucky yesterday because there were no supporters who I am sure would have made their feelings felt quite loudly.
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| Going to get shot down .The reason why we are looking so bad this season is that Teams in S L were allowed to dump players who are past it or not good enough ,on to us to free up money for this season Not one but 8 players who would have not got in to our first team last year ,all over seen by the coaching staff .With these signings They have taken us back 5 years .Feel so sorry for the Chairman and Mr Carter they are watching the excellent work they have done been destroyed by a very poor coaching staff .
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| Quote: alegend "They have taken us back 5 years .Feel so sorry for the Chairman and Mr Carter they are watching the excellent work they have done been destroyed by a very poor coaching staff .'"
To counterpoint this; it is them who employed and continue to employ a coach who is taking the club backwards. It is them who sign off on all of the players we've signed.
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| Quote: alegend "Going to get shot down .The reason why we are looking so bad this season is that Teams in S L were allowed to dump players who are past it or not good enough ,on to us to free up money for this season Not one but 8 players who would have not got in to our first team last year ,all over seen by the coaching staff .With these signings They have taken us back 5 years .Feel so sorry for the Chairman and Mr Carter they are watching the excellent work they have done been destroyed by a very poor coaching staff .'"
Out of interest, who are the 8 players?
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| Quote: Egg Banjo "We haven't had a side which is playing well in a couple of seasons now, just the odd lucky win. There's nothing to lose by removing the lazy senior players and replacing them with someone who might have a spark of desire to win about them.
Under the current coach, there's little to no chance of them seeing any progression, he's more interested in keeping his golfing buddies sweet than developing the squad'"
I still disagree.
Our backs 1 - 5 are ok (obviously, injuries to Johnstone and now Kershaw doesn't help).
However our problems yesterday stemmed from lack of ANY organisation from our 2 halves and an utterly inept pack, which left us forcing the play, with crazy offloads and having absolutely no clue with ball in hand in their half of the field.
I know that we have Batch and Crowther who can com in, plus Green and Arona but, if there is a young prop or halfback in the reserves/academy that is up to the task, I would be staggered.
Much as we would all love to have a couple of young kids coming through, I think that it's just wishful thinking to say "get the kids in".
Yes they would bring some enthusiasm but, yesterday needed our pack to match theirs and someone to deal with McIllorum, who was getting away with murder in the ruck and NOBODY did a damn thing about it.
The 20% win record says enough to know that there needs to be some change here.
Our halves weren't up to the job and the forwards didn't want to know.
Nobody has mentioned our kicking game which was bloody woeful, the worst for a long time.
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| More what I'm trying to say is that I'd forgive losses on the scale we've seen if it was a very junior side which was playing. But it isn't, and while we have them, they're not being played. The coach is more interested in picking lazy players which are past their best than developing younger players in a safe league year (no chance of relegation).
I agree, our back 5 is probably the only saving grace of the entire team, but they're not getting the ball in attack, and are having to cover lazy forwards in defence, and as you say, the kicking game is woeful. We simply don't have one.
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| I wonder if the powers that be saw these type of performances becoming the norm hence our desire to push for no relegation. I bet Featherstone are gutted they did not proceed with the cup match even without any pre game preparation.
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