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| Before a fine can be imposed the idiot has to be identified and concrete evidence provided to prove the case regardless of which team they support, the coments indicating a wakefield supporter is pure conjecture at this stage.
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| Quote: Wildthing "We don't have segregation any more though do we? I think we should but we don't.
Smoke bomb or flare doesn't really matter both are dangerous and not allowed in any RL stadia.'"
Thought we did last year in this match?
Actually it does because one is an explosive device and one isn't and as such isn't as dangerous.
However I did make clear or I thought I did that it's no excuse and a ban for the offenders is in order
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| Quote: vastman "Thought we did last year in this match?
Actually it does because one is an explosive device and one isn't and as such isn't as dangerous.
However I did make clear or I thought I did that it's no excuse and a ban for the offenders is in order'"
Smoke bombs aren't as explosive but they are still dangerous. They burn at high temperatures which can causes burns if you are hit by one, can cause panic when thrown leading to injury and are dangerous to people with asthma and breathing difficulties. Not as destructive as a flare initially maybe but still nasty enough that, as you say, the perpetrators shouldn't be seen in a rugby ground again for an awful long time.
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| Quote: BRIGGY "Before a fine can be imposed the idiot has to be identified and concrete evidence provided to prove the case regardless of which team they support, the coments indicating a wakefield supporter is pure conjecture at this stage.'"
The colour of the smoke and the timing of it gives it away. A Cas fan wouldn't take in smoke bombs in the colours of the rival team in the pure hope that they are able to celebrate a last gasp win and then taint that rival club by association, and ensure that there are no criticisms of Cas's stewarding and gate security. If we hadn't nicked it at the end, what would a Cas fan do with them? Play at being the Red Arrows by running up and down the Poundland car park with the streaming smoke?
As for the fighting, I wasn't there so I'm not commenting on it directly, but this fixture has become increasingly toxic over the years, and certainly during the franchising years, when the relationship between the clubs became like that. With Glover's 'recapture the North Stand" approach and the Cas man's, "oh no, you won't" response, and the constant race to get a stadium to stay in the league. We should be natural allies off the field, because we occupy a similar place in the eyes of the league, financially struggling and in old stadia.
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| Quote: BRIGGY "Before a fine can be imposed the idiot has to be identified and concrete evidence provided to prove the case regardless of which team they support, the coments indicating a wakefield supporter is pure conjecture at this stage.'"
Club statement on the issue. MC has already said he has some evidence and that it was Wakefield fans involved in the smoke bomb incident. The fighting seems to have been more 50-50 but that is no excuse i'm afraid.
rlhttp://www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/news/2015/02/statement-castleford-incidentrl
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| I'm happy to get rid of our 50% of the 50-50.
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| Quote: altofts wildcat "The smoke bombs were bad and whoever brought them and threw them is an idiot/idiots, however they should have not been able to get them in the ground.
I was literally 5 meters away from the fighting after the game and saw it all as I was waiting to get out. For me there were 2 large Cas fans both wearing Black Hoody's or Jumpers, one who was in his 40's with Black hair and a beard and one who i would say was in his late 20's maybe early 30's who provoked an started it all. There was shall we say a heated discussion between the older of the 2 and a few of our fans which seemed to have been calmed, however then the cas fan decided to push an older looking wakey fan who I would say was in his late 50's maybe early 60's which was the trigger for starting everything. After this a Wakey fan wearing a silver coat squared up to the cas fan, they tussled, the Cas fan threw a punch which missed, the wakey fan retaliated with a punch which floored the cas fan, at this point the younger cas fan and the stewards came in the younger cas fan pushed a wakey fan over who fell down the terracing and rolled into the Crush barrier. The stewards then got hold of both cas fans and a couple of wakey fans but then inexplicably let the younger cas fan go and then it kicked off again and several more punches were thrown by both sides before the stewards regained control.
For me violence is never the answer but it was the Cas who started it but the reaction by some of our fans wasn't good however the stewards response was terrible.'"
that's as I saw it
All you could hear was the two said Cas fans gobbing off and threatening every one
The older cas fan hit the ground very hard as his punch misses and didn't get back up
The two Cas fans behaviour was awful
If you want to get drunk and fight go do it else where and do it
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| Segregation has got to be the only answer for big games like this, otherwise this is what happens. Would any of us go in the South Stand at Headingley ???...of course we wouldn't as we would likely get a good kicking, and you could say the same for most away grounds, so if Cas allow their home fans to stand in the away end at matches such as this, then I'm afraid this will always happen - fierce local derby, passionate fans, too much alcohol = recipe for trouble.
We need to make sure that this is avoided at Belle Vue for the return fixture, so segregation is the only way for me, for this game anyway !!
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| Quote: PopTart "I'm happy to get rid of our 50% of the 50-50.'"
Very much so.
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| Quote: Theboyem "Smoke bombs aren't as explosive but they are still dangerous. They burn at high temperatures which can causes burns if you are hit by one, can cause panic when thrown leading to injury and are dangerous to people with asthma and breathing difficulties. Not as destructive as a flare initially maybe but still nasty enough that, as you say, the perpetrators shouldn't be seen in a rugby ground again for an awful long time.'"
Indeed, as I say not excusing it but just pointing out that had it been a flare it could have been even worse.
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| Didn't see this particular incident but we had plenty of abuse coming out of the ground, Cas fans were trying to goad us into a scrap, one even had the audacity to call me a fat Barsteward! The cheek of the guy, gave him a nice smile then carried on walking, think that hurt him more than a punch.
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| Quote: FIL "Segregation has got to be the only answer for big games like this, otherwise this is what happens. Would any of us go in the South Stand at Headingley ???...of course we wouldn't as we would likely get a good kicking, and you could say the same for most away grounds, so if Cas allow their home fans to stand in the away end at matches such as this, then I'm afraid this will always happen - fierce local derby, passionate fans, too much alcohol
It’s a sad say when you bring in segregation. The majority of fans can and do behave themselves. Why should the majority suffer because of a few idiots who can’t?
TBH fans should be able to stand/sit where they like and not be afraid they’ll get a kicking. 99/100 if you’re not acting like a dick you’ll be fine. I’ve stood in the sounthstand many times (I prefer the view from the sideline) and never once felt threatened despite being an away fan.
The answers for me would be the following, for games against teams where there has been trouble do the following:
1. Refuse entry to anyone who looks worse for wear with drink.
2. Do more bag searches for things like illicit cans, bottles, flares and smoke bombs – any found will be confiscated – obvs flasks don’t apply!
3. Have more stewards on duty in the ground and have more proper rozzers on hand. Anyone chucked out for being in trouble gets a season long ban. Anyone arrested and convicted is banned for good.
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| Timing of the smoke bombs (not flares, jesus christ) was poor. But the reaction has been blown way out of proportion. To ban the young lads from the sport 'worldwide' is pathetic! A bit of smoke burnt for around 10 seconds and didn't cause anyone any bother. No harm done.
I can't believe that some wakefield 'fans' are on here to have a whinge rather than celebrate a derby win!
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| Quote: John Kear "Timing of the smoke bombs (not flares, jesus christ) was poor. But the reaction has been blown way out of proportion. To ban the young lads from the sport 'worldwide' is pathetic! A bit of smoke burnt for around 10 seconds and didn't cause anyone any bother. No harm done.
I can't believe that some wakefield 'fans' are on here to have a whinge rather than celebrate a derby win!'"
That unfortunately is the issue John. You and some others don't see why there is a problem with fans throwing smoke bombs on the field.
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| Quote: vastman "o
Not defending it but they were not flares, some kind of limp smoke bomb. No way were they especially dangerous - however rules is rules and it's a 5 year ban for me for said throwers.
However considering how volatile this fixture has become is it not about time Cas moved into the modern world and segregated this game as we have. It's sad I know but we have bitten the bullet and I feel you should to. You have a group of idiots who place themselves at the Railway end purely to cause bother and our fools and those of other clubs are happy to oblige.'"
It would be a shame if we had to segregate it next year but if it stops idiots being themselves and trying to fight other teams fans then it may have to be so. We do have some idiots and I wish they'd go forth and multiply elsewhere such as playing near overhead cables with a steel bar.
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