Whilst I agree he has been playing very well, I think he is unlucky that we have such a high quality of backrow player at the moment.

I personally hope that they use Burgess as an out and out Prop which could open up a space, with players like Peacock and Morley missing out altogether. Sadly though I doubt this will happen.

Got to admit I thought it was pretty well known from the various people who spoke to him att that he enjoyed it here, that's why he came back.

Hes being outstanding all season the form players should get picked and its time to call time on the old guard they have had more than enough chances

I reckon he needs to keep performing at the standard he has set for himself.

Whilst acknowledging that there is competition for places at the top level, I don't see where Wilkin has much more to offer - and he keeps getting the nod (not that I agree with it).

Reminds me very much of a young Gareth Ellis before the big step gave way to the offload game. If DK can make a step up in defence and find a little extra fitness he'll make the grade in my book. I too think he's got more to offer than Wilkin, who would look average in a Trin shirt, but that's just my opinion.

Yes and no. Yes, similar in the way they have gone from back to pack. Similar style etc. However Danny is 26 and Ellis was at the level he is now when he was 21! Ellis was the freak by the way not Kirmond. At 26 the clock is probably against him - in that IMO he needs to have a great season this year and part of next to really justify selection. Added to this the stiff opposition there is at SR it's a huge ask. Ironically it's Ellis who is most likely to keep him out.

Hope it happens but can't see it, think Danny is a few years too late hitting his stride - RL is cruel like that. That said hope he proves me wrong.

I would like to see him involved with the Knights set up and see how he goes think this season may be a bit too far for him to look to a full call up.

If he continues to keep improving though there is no reason he should not have a chance for the 2013 World Cup.

At the moment we have in the second row the likes of -

Burgess, Ellis, Hock, Westwood, Highington.

I think Kirmond is in the group behind them at the moment and would do well to step into the Knights and make a claim on the elite team.

I think it's a damning indictment on the state of the British game if Peacock and Morley are still regarded as international props! They're spent at that level!

Peacock has been well past it at that level for years.

In Burgess, Mossop, and Graham we have the potential of a fantastic foundation of Props. To drop both experienced guys would be a massive call but it should have been phased throughout the last 2 years. Now we MUST drop them both and build some leadership from the new generation.

For me Burgess is should play Prop and be given the England captaincy.

Not sure I'd make Burgess captain - may go for someone who is likely to have more gametime (and UK based so will play in some of the mid-season games) - say someone like O'Loughlin or Roby.

The problem with over-relying on Burgess, is that he's made of biscuits; I personally don't think he'll ever fully deliver on his potential, due to the amount of time he spends injured.

That said, I do think it's time to have a walk round the garden with Peacock and Morley; they're both shot at international level and the England coach needs to let them know that.

As for DK - if he continues to improve his game the way he has this season, he's likely to be knocking on the door in 2013.

Can't agree to say he will never reach his potential he is already one of if not the best forwards in the game.

If you watch Souths every team he plays against puts extra bodies into the tackle against him, that is a hell of a complement to the lad when you have David Taylor and Greg Inglis in your ranks.

As you point out his injury record is not great but he is an 80 minute forward who has grown significantly in his life in every direction, certain parts of his body are still catching up with him in my opinion.


In the next couple of years or so I think his injury record will improve significantly once his tendons and ligaments develop a little further. Lets not forget he is still only 23 year old. Frightening really.

Have to agree. Burgess is the best most dynamic all round forward maybe even player this country has produced in years. Better than Ellis whom I rate very highly. Think it says it all that it took the combined wealth of two very rich Aussies to stop him falling into Union hands - which was where his talent would have led him.

I know what Bren means but I don't think his injury record is that bad and I take last season as a blip and I hope he recovers. Really like Kirmond and he might be able to compete with most SR even Westwood and Ellis at a push. However Burgess is in a class of his own in any position in the pack bar hooker.

I'm not disputing his talents in any way - he's clearly a freak.

When I talk about potential, I'm talking about longevity - I don't see him doing what he does, at the level he does it at, for a Morley or Peacock length of time for example; I don't know if it's technique, genetics or a bit of both or even something completely different, but he does seem to be injury prone.

I hope I'm wrong - he's an awesome player and a delight to watch; met his Mum the other week - she's about 8 foot tall.

DK is in the form of his life atm, 10x better than his 1st spell with us. I groaned like probably many others when the Hudds trio signed up, but it just shows the quality Hudds have now to be offloading decent players like these. Cue Kirmond getting a bad injury and out for 2months.