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Quote: King Street Cat "Ahhh, [ithat[/i source.'"


I'm sure if it's all a lie Jezza and his mate McLaughlin and his partner will be suing the Mail for libel, the bit about the remote controlled devices he was guilty of his mitigation he thought they were for some other noble use and not for use in bomb making (yeah right) the move from Wales to Islington is a proven fact and anuone that doesn't believe that the housing waiting list was huge is deluded. REad teh article check teh facts. As for Milliband, who struggled to eat a bacon sarnie the comment about Daddy was that a comment/opinion and not a fact.

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "The Mail who stated that the father of Ed Milliband was a traitor based on a speech he made. This was just prior to that election, as per usual it was not true but why let the facts get in the way of their agenda.'"

Let Jezza and his IRA mate sue them then

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It was actually a two page spread. What does eating a bacon sandwich mean with regards running the country. Johnson ran into a fridge to avoid scrutiny.
You believe in Johnson I don’t time will tell who is right.

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I definitely have no time for Jezza and his convicted queue jumping IRA buddy as for the bacon sarnie reference there's at least one for every politiciian irrespective of their party Boris and his fridge stunt one of many.

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Johnson as taken 3 things out of the Brexit deal, that was agreed , so he could have a General Election,good job he tells the truth .Been said to day he will be coming out in December next year with a no deal ,putting loads of jobs at risk

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "The Mail who stated that the father of Ed Milliband was a traitor based on a speech he made. This was just prior to that election, as per usual it was not true but why let the facts get in the way of their agenda.'"


You should go to Daily Maili Online and read the article in full and then back up your 'it was not true' claim with your evidence that it's not true. Maybe even the photographs of Jezza and his IRA buddy were photoshopped!!

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Quote: alegend "Johnson as taken 3 things out of the Brexit deal, that was agreed , so he could have a General Election,good job he tells the truth .Been said to day he will be coming out in December next year with a no deal ,putting loads of jobs at risk'"


I know he's taken out the workers rights section with a committment to deal with it elsewhere, not sure what the other two are yet as for the 'been told' it's guess work so could be right or wrong time will tell. The Conservatives have laid out what they want to achieve and they will be judged on that and get a another term in office or out on their ear if it's a fail.

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I suggest you read my post closely because I was referring to the Milliband case and the last time I checked he was not a terrorist supporter nor was his family. I would rather not read the Mail and was it not the Sun and even Johnson who blamed Liverpool and their supporters for Hillsborough.

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "I suggest you read my post closely because I was referring to the Milliband case and the last time I checked he was not a terrorist supporter nor was his family. I would rather not read the Mail and was it not the Sun and even Johnson who blamed Liverpool and their supporters for Hillsborough.'"


Your words 'as usual untrue' implying other reports simlilarly so.

I don't read the Sun,Mirror or Star but I scan the rest and I do beleive that you are correct in your comments about the Sun and Boris and the Hillborough tragedy, not sure on Boris's standing in Liverpool now but the Sun is a no no all over the City.

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Quote: Redscat "I don't think Jeremy Corbyn was showing sympathy for the terrorist actions of the IRA, no leader would empathise with that. It's more the sympathising with, and supporting, the CAUSE that they were fighting for, ie a United Ireland, and what is wrong with that? It's a legitimate cause. The United Kingdom isn't exactly snow-white when it comes to questionable military action is it?'"

Personally the peace process was the important issue at the time, not some United Ireland that so many of the Irish wanted no part of.

Like I said before, his cause is all well and good but the fact is in all the years since every time he gets asked about the IRA he will not condemn their actions, plus what about him standing in honor of dead IRA terrorists, was that him just wanting a United Ireland? it's things like that, that have spoken volumes to many people, rightly or wrongly.
Ateotd there is a very clear difference between talks at a government level to seek a peace process, and a maverick backbencher actively associating with Sinn Fein and the IRA on his own Republican campaign. I am sure that Corbyn knew exactly what he was doing, and examples such as inviting convicted IRA prisoners to Parliament after the Brighton bombing, was deliberately inflammatory and not obvious how such actions aid peace or anything else he may want? Even I recall at the time the strength of feeling from both the Labour party, as well as the Government, and the rest of Parliament.

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One of the problems I have with the hard left is they jump on to causes and pick sides without applying critical thinking.

You see it with Israel and Palestine. It's seen in black and white: Israel = bad, so someone fighting against them = good. Similarly, US corporations = bad, so if there's a left wing populist ruler somewhere in South America who is standing up against them, they are seen as good. In the 1980s, the Irish republican cause attracted a lot of the hard left. British imperialism = bad, so the IRA 'volunteers' fighting against them = good.

Corbyn and some of his supporters have history of 'picking sides' and aligning themselves with / turning a blind eye to the criminal actions of people on 'their side'.

Now there is some hypocrisy in the right wing media about the way they react to similar questionable choices by their own leaders. Look at Donald Trump and his love-fest with Chairman Kim of North Korea. Can you imagine if Corbyn, or Bernie Sanders had been saying 'we need to open a dialogue with Kim', it would have been seen as the ultimate proof of leftie derangement, thinking you could engage with him. But they hailed Trump as some kind of diplomatic genius when he went over fawning over Kim like Denis Rodman had done.

Similarly we had all that stuff about Corbyn's links with Moscow spies and whatever, but it's the Conservatives who are getting donations from shadowy sources in Russia and Boris hanging round Putin's oligarchs and it was Boris' government that surpressed the report into Russian involvement in UK politics. Dodgy af...

I was by no means a fan of Theresa May but one area where I trusted her far more than Boris was national security. Boris I suspect has a cavalier attitude to taking money/support from shadowy sources in states that don't have Britain's best interests at heart, if he thinks it can benefit his personal advancement. Trump is the same in the US.

So whilst I think Corbyn and the hard left are naive in some of their alliances and I would have some concerns about national security if they came in to power, I have more concerns about the likes of Boris and Trump who are in power and whose vanity makes them Trojan horses for hostile states.

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Can not see Conservative losing next Election even if everything goes pear shaped big time.They have got to many businesse men who are super rich and get away with things that Joe Public would get sent to jail for eg paying no tax .They will lie there way to power again,and make shore the newspapers and BBC news downs anyone who tries to take them on

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Whilst I'm not a religious person, I've been thinking recently about what I would imagine is an ancient subject for argument and discussion. How many people who voted Conservative last week can also describe themselves as Christians. Surely the beliefs and ideals of folk like Johnson and his ilk are based on greed, selfishness, privilege, military dominanc, their "superiority" over the common man in the street, denying certain sections of society the basics of food and shelter etc. From what I've read of the Bible the gentleman referred to as Jesus Christ was opposed to all these traits. How, then can Tories align themselves with Christianity?

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Quote: alegend "Can not see Conservative losing next Election even if everything goes pear shaped big time.They have got to many businesse men who are super rich and get away with things that Joe Public would get sent to jail for eg paying no tax .They will lie there way to power again,and make shore the newspapers and BBC news downs anyone who tries to take them on'"

Must be a lot of tories in Cas, because only 2 in 10 pay tax over there.

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Tories have made sure that the people of Cas don't earn enough to pay tax. icon_smile.gif

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