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Quote: MOPSEY LIVES ON "I could do the job with my eyes shut, thing is I’m my own man and not a yes man.'"


OK then send in your CV, you have my full support. eusa_liar.gif

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Quote: jonh "I don’t think we can expect anything more with this squad.

I didn’t be for the season started and I don’t now.

We are lacking the quality of most other sides it’s that simple really.'"


Im on the fence with chester 8 wins in 42 isnt good enough but we have had other issues in that time and i think covid has tooks its toll on our squad resulting in it been weak (somthing i said at the start of the season) personally i think recruitment over last 2 years has been shocking kelepi apart but what money does chester have not alot.i cant help but think mason was a cheap option and while its not fair to judge on 2 games he certainly doesnt appear to be that controling 7 we needed or has a kicking game we have missed since finn left.add to this we released 2 props better than the 2 we kept again could be money related.although it doesnt help when your using players budget on a second assistant coach.

Time will tell if we go down but hoping to to stay up with 3 or 4 wins would be extremely lucky and non deserving

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Quote: MOPSEY LIVES ON "John you are not stupid it’s about identifying what we need or adapting and playing to our strengths. Let’s go back a few year we were playing quite well lost bill and Tj and we finished the season with rocky and Miller in the halves and finished mid table. We bring brough in as the final piece of the jigsaw and bring kopcheck and king in to build a big pack but play the same way and not to brough. We undermine jowitt, rocky plays fullback but because he’s talking about his contact we undermine rocky and bring Walker in. We sign tangata after one game, we sign senior when we refuse to let kershaw go we sign Kay, we sign green who Powell brought off after 8 minutes. Not to mention gigot who excites him. It’s a complete mess I know what’s needed and it wasn’t lino'"


I totally agree in relation to retentions and recruitment it’s been poor and if you are not improving in this area you are going backwards as a club as others will be improving their squads.

I think this is the biggest concern for me, and quite who is responsible for it I don’t know is it financial pressures, poor decisions and by who? I don’t know.

I said when we signed Lino that I hadn’t seen much of him, but what I had seen I thought he was more a strike half than a general, and I was surprised to see him bigged up my the club as the missing piece of the jigsaw as a midfield general.

Williams for me would have been ideal. Perhaps we had our eggs in one basket and were left with Lino when he turned us down.

I like Senior, think he is a steady signing, but don’t understand the need for 2 backup wingers.

Kyle Wood adds that spark at 9 but we lack when he’s not fit, we are desperate for a couple of quality props, but they seem to be as rare as hens teeth this offseason so more than likely carrying inflated salary expectations.

I think more often than not cap spend equates to league position.

We have done very well overachieving on a few occasions with players who have played above their earnings but that touch seems to have left us and we are left with a squad that is out of balance and low on quality in key positions compared to our rivals.

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Quote: vastman "That I agree with.

I'm a huge Crowther fan but he is not a No9 and I don't get why we are playing him there. Josh is not as good as Kyle but together they should be ok but in Kyles absence, Brad Walker looks a far better stand-in, or heaven forbid Harry Bowes, an actual hooker. I'm clearly not suggesting for the whole season but a few games.

This is not just a dig at CC it's a dig at a number of coaches, a lack of belief in younger players to step up. That said I've just had a pop at Mopsey for claiming to know more than the actual coaches so maybe I'll shut up .

Dont think any issues with jordan is down to jordan.for a back rower playing at 9 he goes om for the first 20 mins shores up the defence while players are still fresh and very rarley do you see a hooker doing much in the first 20 mins anyway its from then on when defences start tyring when they cime into there own but this is where our problem is josh wood is a great attacking hooker either hes ok at tackeling but doesnt have it attacking wise i think if k wood was fit and coming on at this point you may see what jordan is actually doing.

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Quote: vastman "Depressing and worst are not the same thing. It was depressing because had the team just played sensible RL for 80 mins we could have won, that was all Wigan did. I'm not saying CC is the best coach ever, what I'm saying is that the standard of play in the last 30 minutes was down to the players and I'm fed up with the coach copping the flak, no coach sends a team out with that game plan.

I think it was Bibby's second try, all the team were over on the right for some unknown reason there was no defensive line at all, you don't need to be coached for that. If you watch it the only player who even gets near to Bibby is Lyne, the right centre!!! Where the hell was Bill and Batch! It was pathetic, yet there was no sign in the first half, the polar opposite in fact. No way is that what CC or Last or Poching coached then to do, it was 30 mins of defensive and attacking brain farts IMHO

So to answer your question, if the coaching staff can get the players to do basic RL for 80 mins with a touch of flair where needed and stop acting like dunderheads then yes we can. I'll add this if CC eventually goes and the team play proper RL for the new coach then IMHO there are some very dishonourable players in our squad,'"


Probably what's more depressing is, the same conversations/discussions on here now were on here last season and the season before that! Or at least from May 2019 when the clubs results have just been pretty poor by anyone's standards, injuries, covid and everything else thrown in, some performances have bordered on being unprofessional. I agree to a point with what you say as re. the players, they have to take more responsibility and adapt better to what unfolds in the heat of the battle, but again, if the same players keep on making the same mistakes, or even different ones he has used over the last 40 odd games, then without another head coach barking at them, what do you do to at least try and improve things?!

I really hope we at least show some bottle against Catalans, seen as like last year we are on national TV against the same team, and last year they put 50 on us, all we need is Mr. Wilkin rubbing our noses in it when we get hammered........ icon_cry.gif

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Think some of us could see why we would finish outside of the top 8 before this season started Said so in my first post after Leeds match and got ask how I could come to this conclusion.Most of the post on this subject are answering the Question No it did help against Wigan in the second half with not having a lot of ball in second half .Against Leeds we had more ball in second half and should have won .Just hope we can find away to look after the ball better so we do not fair away in the second half We go well for 40 mins witch is a improvement

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Quote: jonh "I totally agree in relation to retentions and recruitment it’s been poor and if you are not improving in this area you are going backwards as a club as others will be improving their squads.

I think this is the biggest concern for me, and quite who is responsible for it I don’t know is it financial pressures, poor decisions and by who? I don’t know.

I said when we signed Lino that I hadn’t seen much of him, but what I had seen I thought he was more a strike half than a general, and I was surprised to see him bigged up my the club as the missing piece of the jigsaw as a midfield general.

Williams for me would have been ideal. Perhaps we had our eggs in one basket and were left with Lino when he turned us down.

I like Senior, think he is a steady signing, but don’t understand the need for 2 backup wingers.

Kyle Wood adds that spark at 9 but we lack when he’s not fit, we are desperate for a couple of quality props, but they seem to be as rare as hens teeth this offseason so more than likely carrying inflated salary expectations.

I think more often than not cap spend equates to league position.

We have done very well overachieving on a few occasions with players who have played above their earnings but that touch seems to have left us and we are left with a squad that is out of balance and low on quality in key positions compared to our rivals.'"
john I think we have been in a position to build a side on a few occasions but the key is always try to bring in better than what weve got. Now I'm not saying who we have brought in is not trying but lets look at it.
Josh wood was he better than randall no, I'd like to know who watched cause hes hard and aggressive but cant pass a d doesn't run.
Tangata/ kopcheck or fafita no
Senior/ kay or Kershaw no
Walker/ jowitt or rocky no
Gigot waste of time
Brough was the stupidest signing ever he couldn't run and hes been a good un over years
King didnt look interested
Green who Powell brought off after 8 minutes says it all.
Right let's look at lino in a few more games but it's all down to the pack and unless the opposition make mistakes or we get penalties we simply cany make ground. We needed a couple of young hungry forwards to do some graft. Most of our forwards are 30 plus so it's going to be a big rebuild. What I dont understand is this crowther and batchelor thing, they are young lads and if they're good enough should easily last the 80 so play them. It's just so disappointing and frustrating.

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As I’ve said plenty of times on here, the man in the moon has more ideas on coaching than me ,but what rankles me more than anything is people stating that they are playing poorly because of how much they cost .What a load of bunkum ,it doesn’t take ££ to get stuck in and have a dig ,that’s the basics that are seen all over the north on a weekend when kids n adults put their bodies on the line for free .All we all want to see is a side that plays with passion and pride ,it’s not about the money it’s about the shirt .Half those Wigan lads won’t be on half as much as some of our so called big names ,but it’s drilled into them that by running out on the park they are representing Wigan and it shows .Yes we could do with a smattering of top quality ,but that’s no excuse for players not to give 100% every time they pull the shirt on .I’ll take a loss every day of the week if the effort was there ,we have effort so far of 40/50 mins ,it needs to ramp up e dry week until we are putting some gusto into 80 mins .

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Kettykat you are right to a point, Wigan had a lot of young well drilled players in We had a team of 30 year olds who over the years have had some bad injuries ,.who competed for 50 minutes then age slows them down .Think pinning our hopes on K Wood to come in to the team ,at 9 to move the team forward who is 32 shows were we are

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Quote: alegend "Kettykat you are right to a point, Wigan had a lot of young well drilled players in We had a team of 30 year olds who over the years have had some bad injuries ,.who competed for 50 minutes then age slows them down .Think pinning our hopes on K Wood to come in to the team ,at 9 to move the team forward who is 32 shows were we are'"

Yes I know alegend if everything was equal we’d hopefully have a good mix of youth and experience, unfortunately we’ve been dealt the pack of cards we have and I get that .But sometime they look like they need a kick up the Harris to switch on and get into the arm wrestle. I like this team a lot and personally I don’t think they are playing to their potential, whether that’s a mental thing or a physical thing I haven’t a clue ,and I get it’s very early in the season ,I just honestly believe they have more to give than what we are seeing

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Quote: jonh "I don’t think we can expect anything more with this squad.

I didn’t be for the season started and I don’t now.

We are lacking the quality of most other sides it’s that simple really.'"

Along with the lack of financial means, to improve the squad. I’m one who backs the CEO, with controlling the spend what we earn. Hopefully, the ground improvements will increase our earnings in the coming years.

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Quote: Dunkirk Spirit "Along with the lack of financial means, to improve the squad. I’m one who backs the CEO, with controlling the spend what we earn. Hopefully, the ground improvements will increase our earnings in the coming years.'"

I've not a problem with controlling expenditure but when it was spent on players like Brough I couldn't believe what I was hearing

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Quote: snowie "I've not a problem with controlling expenditure but when it was spent on players like Brough I couldn't believe what I was hearing'"


Sorry but was Broughy all that bad? Until he got injured I thought he was playing pretty well. He was a god signing imho but only as a one year deal. We’ve signed a lot worse.

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Quote: vastman "Sorry but was Broughy all that bad? Until he got injured I thought he was playing pretty well. He was a god signing imho but only as a one year deal. We’ve signed a lot worse.'"
yes he was, good in his day but came to us a second time as slow as a cart horse

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Quote: snowie "yes he was, good in his day but came to us a second time as slow as a cart horse'"


Agree with that.

In a squad challenged financially the signing of a declining Brough was an odd one, throw in Gigot, Walker and having 2 back up wingers on the books by adding Senior I think he balance of the squad is off.

I thought Brough came with a lot of promise but it was clear early doors he was struggling, be it through injury or age catching up with him. We have never replaced Finn. Brough was an attempt to do so and that failed and now we have Lino early signs not great but too early to judge.

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