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Labour and Conservatives are best described as two cheeks of the same ass.

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Quote: MatthewTrin "You need to start studying world History before making comments like that. The media have brainwashed you to think one way. Open some books to help get a more balanced view. Otherwise you will start heading down a slippery slope of no return.'"

Quite right, history has a habit of repeating itself.
I watched a talk radio show this morning, they interviewed a black lives matter activist. This was possibly the most disturbing interview I have ever see. Judge for yourself everyone. I’m not very good posting links, so go to YouTube and type, Mike asks Black Lives Matter activist if they are proud to be British.
If this man does not disturb you, please tell me why not. d040.gif

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Quote: Miro "Sorry to butt in during the race debate but I need to respond to a couple of question put to me by Wrencat1873.

Why on earth would any government put themselves at risk of de selection as part of a "scam" ?

Well, the Tories are 5 years away from an election and so many people have short memories what they do now won't be worth a damn (austerity measures anyone?). Tory and Labour are both sides of the same coin anyway so who gives a hoot about de-selection.
Politicians go through what is known as the “revolving door” They flit from corporations to politics and back again.
An example, Now I don't personally know the validity of this but
Matthew John David Hancock is a British politician serving as Secretary of State for Health and Social Care since 2018. A member of the Conservative Party, he was previously served as Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport in 2018 for six months.Wikipedia
A copy of a page from 'Companies House' the date was 2016 where "Matt Hancock holds a 75% stake in a Pharmaceutical Company making vaccines". The company is
Lets face it, WE HAVE THE BEST GOVERNMENT THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY CAN BUY.

Worry about de-selection? They never did and never will.

As for the rest of the world.
Those counties that you may see as independent are actually anything but. The vast majority are bankrupt, by this I mean they are up to their eyeballs in debt (including the US and UK) and wholly beholden to the BIG BANKS, the IMF, Corporations, chuck in the WHO, UN, NATO et. The Americans have 800 military bases around the world and are stationed in most countries of the world. Now I'm not saying the American military are behind this Scamdemic but you get the picture re the independence of all these countries. Take Greece, the Big banks said “jump” and the Greeks said “how high”

Every country Leader is following the Exact SAME SCRIPT. No Leader will willingly allow the Destruction of their Economy unless they all are OBEYING the Same Master they all serve.

I personalty find stranger that nearly all countries are working to the same script than NOT working to the script.

Why would they pull the plug on the economy you may ask.
Back in the 70s we had the lot, fishing, steelworks, the mines, Wakefield had Greens, Sutcliffe Molded Rubber, FSW, Bradley and Craven, Slazengers, Readicut, Empire Stores,...the list goes on. The we lost the high street, Woolworths, BHS, Maplins, Toys R us, most if not all the independent shoe and clothing stores. Pubs ?? Pubs galore have gone along with Libraries, post offices, bus routs, etc. I am old enough to remember when you could walk out of one job and straight into another.

The plug has already been pulled on the economy, what is happening now on the back of this Scamdemic is surely the final push from the so called elites. The big media, Billionaire Bill Gates, the banks, the corporations etc they all know a new economic order is needed due to the coming predicted collapse and all because they were allowed to carry on as they were before the 2008 crash. and us minnows are standing in their way. The just need an excuse to pull that plug, introduce vaccines with track and trace technology, link it to our smartphones and the 5G network and they can then live free from fear from the likes you and I.
Oh, and Bill Gates, just like he did with his flawed Windows operating system, will pick up billions more dollars with his equally flawed vaccines.
Crazy yes? That his operating system was full of viruses he never could protect against yet he is the man the world is turning to to produce a vaccine against real life viruses.

YOU COULD NOT MAKE IT UP.

Wrencat1873


The company is 100% government department owned.
No shares allocated to any individual.

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Quote: MatthewTrin "More evidence this is a stich up led by the political elite. Anyone care to read the Guardian article regarding Dominic Cummings accused of conflicts of interest regarding the NHS. All connected to some kind of GP App. Makes sense i suppose as we do require one during a Pandemic. Big problem however the article was published on 11th October 2019 before this crisis. Can anyone on here explain what's going on? Smells like corruption to me.'"


But, proven not to be true.
The Alice Cummings involved in the test and trace is NOT the same Alice Cummings that is related to Dominic icon_surprised.gifops:

The smell that you have a whiff of, is more likely to be coming from your dog or socks.
Check the FACTS and try again but, be sure to keep up the level of hysteria, it's great icon_thumb.gif

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Quote: Miro "

An example, Now I don't personally know the validity of this but
Matthew John David Hancock is a British politician serving as Secretary of State for Health and Social Care since 2018. A member of the Conservative Party, he was previously served as Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport in 2018 for six months.Wikipedia
A copy of a page from 'Companies House' the date was 2016 where "Matt Hancock holds a 75% stake in a Pharmaceutical Company making vaccines". The company is

Miro, I presume you're aware of these new online fact checkers or the Online Thought Police that accredit something to be a fact or not. Well interestingly your assertion made against Matt Hancock has been denied to an extent. See the UKs Independent Fact Charity page:

https://fullfact.org/online/hancock-supply-chains/

More interestingly if you search the author on twitter page, she's a vocal BLM sympathiser. Scary that we now have people with radical political views that are "allowed" to control the "facts".
Quote: Miro "

An example, Now I don't personally know the validity of this but
Matthew John David Hancock is a British politician serving as Secretary of State for Health and Social Care since 2018. A member of the Conservative Party, he was previously served as Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport in 2018 for six months.Wikipedia
A copy of a page from 'Companies House' the date was 2016 where "Matt Hancock holds a 75% stake in a Pharmaceutical Company making vaccines". The company is

Miro, I presume you're aware of these new online fact checkers or the Online Thought Police that accredit something to be a fact or not. Well interestingly your assertion made against Matt Hancock has been denied to an extent. See the UKs Independent Fact Charity page:

https://fullfact.org/online/hancock-supply-chains/

More interestingly if you search the author on twitter page, she's a vocal BLM sympathiser. Scary that we now have people with radical political views that are "allowed" to control the "facts".


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Quote: wrencat1873 "But, proven not to be true.
The Alice Cummings involved in the test and trace is NOT the same Alice Cummings that is related to Dominic
Are we discussing the same story?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... r-nhs-fund
Quote: wrencat1873 "But, proven not to be true.
The Alice Cummings involved in the test and trace is NOT the same Alice Cummings that is related to Dominic
Are we discussing the same story?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... r-nhs-fund


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Quote: MatthewTrin "Are we discussing the same story?


Sorry, my bad icon_surprised.gifops:

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Quote: Dunkirk Spirit "Quite right, history has a habit of repeating itself.
I watched a talk radio show this morning, they interviewed a black lives matter activist. This was possibly the most disturbing interview I have ever see. Judge for yourself everyone. I’m not very good posting links, so go to YouTube and type, Mike asks Black Lives Matter activist if they are proud to be British.
If this man does not disturb you, please tell me why not. Wow, seriously troubled fool. Instead of preaching history lessons he should have listened to them icon_rolleyes.gif A dangerous individual.

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Quote: MatthewTrin "Excellent contribution to this thread. Good to see you've spent time researching this topic. I was beginning to think I was the only person who'd actually bothered to critically investigate this "pandemic". Keep it up, more people are waking up because the evidence is starring at them in the face. Only issue we face is the manner in which we expose this scam. Unfortunately the truth as bad as it is can frighten people more than the "deadly" virus. Just wish more GPs, medical doctors and nurses were "allowed" to speak out. Makes sense now why we employ so many overseas doctors. They are all told to follow orders and question nothing.'"

Cheers, I posted out of frustration because of the clear lack of critical thinking or even just questioning this whole business on here.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Sorry, my bad
No worries, it might be worth editing your original post so we don't confuse anyone.
I think the relationship scandal you might be referring to is the Warner brothers that made the news last month.
Ben Warner, a computer modeller has played an advisory role on the SAGE meetings.
His brother Marc Warner helped develop the NHS contact tracing app. Certain sections of the printed media have been critical of the connection between the Government and the NHS.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Im not going to micro dissect your post but, I may get back to you on some of the other points raised>

However, your comments regarding any party not being concerned about deselection (getting voted out), is absolute nonsense and I think costs a fair amount of credibility with the rest of your post(s).
I would suggest that EVERY party is concerned primarily about one issue - remaining in power and you comments about "them all being the same" is equally laughable.
The fundamental difference between the 2 main parties is that the Tories believe in keeping taxation lower and leaving people to fend for themselves, which their will be a swift return towards when they believe that the pandemic has receded sufficiently.
Labour on the other hand, fundamentally believe in larger state ownership, higher taxation and a centralisation of core utilities /services.
Politicians may all "be the same" but their politics are far from the same, it's a ridiculous comment.

I agree about the many "lost" industries but, if you take mining as an example, the industry was butchered for political reasons by the Tory government but, as I'm sure you are aware, pretty much all of the mining industry was in the North (plus South Wales) and there was very little political risk for the ruling Tory party - it certainly wouldn't have followed the same path/time scale had Labour been in charge.'"



OK, if you say so. Just a point. Though she wasn't in power at the time, but she had the chance to be. The election before last, Mr Corbyns first, Mary Creagh came canvasing to my house. She
(not a Corbyn supporter) was full of the joys of spring, big smile on her face. I asked her if Labour had a chance of winning the general election under Corbyn. I kid you not, I'm paraphrasing here..Oh no she said, not a chance but vote for me (anyway) I always do the best I can for Wakefield. And with this she bounded of, still smiling broadly. I was gobsmacked.
The only thing I took from this was she was more interested in Corbyn being beaten than Labour gaining power.
Not the only conversation I have had with an MP but you see where I am coming from...yes?
Maybe I did generalize a little though and for that I apologize to all our wonderful MPs

As for Thatcher and the miners. She took a gamble did she not? Could easily have lost that battle and subsequently lost power. That was a very real threat. So I disagree, the Torys hold on power was nothing like a "little political risk" Hope some ex miners can back me up on that one.

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Interesting job advert for the fact checkers or Philanthropy Officers as they're known.

https://fullfact.org/about/jobs/philanthropy-officer/
Interesting job advert for the fact checkers or Philanthropy Officers as they're known.

https://fullfact.org/about/jobs/philanthropy-officer/


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Quote: TURFEDOUT "The company is 100% government department owned.
No shares allocated to any individual.'"


From the company website:
Porton Biopharma Limited is a limited liability company, established in 2015, to commercialise the pharmaceutical development and manufacturing capabilities at the Porton Down site in Wiltshire that were previously within Public Health England.

Sorry, I do not fully understand company law but how can a limited liablity company be government owned.
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Genuine question.

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Quote: Miro "From the company website

My question is, who is the independent auditor that checks these fact checkers?
Another question to consider, as a "charity" who are the list of donors to this company?

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Quote: Miro "OK, if you say so. Just a point. Though she wasn't in power at the time, but she had the chance to be. The election before last, Mr Corbyns first, Mary Creagh came canvasing to my house. She
(not a Corbyn supporter) was full of the joys of spring, big smile on her face. I asked her if Labour had a chance of winning the general election under Corbyn. I kid you not, I'm paraphrasing here..Oh no she said, not a chance but vote for me (anyway) I always do the best I can for Wakefield. And with this she bounded of, still smiling broadly. I was gobsmacked.
The only thing I took from this was she was more interested in Corbyn being beaten than Labour gaining power.
Not the only conversation I have had with an MP but you see where I am coming from...yes?
Maybe I did generalize a little though and for that I apologize to all our wonderful MPs

As for Thatcher and the miners. She took a gamble did she not? Could easily have lost that battle and subsequently lost power. That was a very real threat. So I disagree, the Torys hold on power was nothing like a "little political risk" Hope some ex miners can back me up on that one.
threat'"

I saw a document after the strike, that was shown to the witch, that had all the main unions on it , NUM, Steel even fishing unions and she had been advised that the NUM were the biggest threat, this was obviously written down in greater detail and if the NUM was taken down the others would follow and the rest is history. She would have bankrupt the country before loosing fight with us. The closing of my pit and others mines were a trigger point to start the fall of the heavy industry allowing future generations to gradually think they are middle class in their offices and drift towards the tories and it’s turned out to be a huge success, my opinion mind you, but Wakefield is blue for the first time so there must be some truth in it. Of course it doesn’t help though with a scruffy boring sod like Corbin .

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