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| Quote: sixtogo "If rumours are to be believed then thursdays announcement could be more of a talking point than first thought.'"
Big shake up or damp squib, we'll have to wait and see.
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| Quote: BIGAL1 "Big shake up or damp squib, we'll have to wait and see.
Are you willing to let us know what this potential shake up might involve?
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| Quote: The Clan "It's my understanding that there are two restrictive covenants on the sale and future use of the ground.
The first has been there since the land was bought/donated 100 odd years ago and states something along the lines of the sports club cannot be evicted and the land used for other means without there being an alternative home found for the club.
The second has something to do with sport England and the provision of sports & Athletic space, and again statescthat the land cannot be used for anything other than sports recreation unless it's replaced by land and facilities that match or improve on the existing provision.
Now I'm not cast iron certain that these covenants are still in force but I've heard that they are.'"
Couldn't see anything in the deeds that suggested that though.
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39793_1491679334.jpg "Castleford's biggest home crowd of the 1991-1992 season wasn't quite 12,000 while on average they'd sit around 6000 but the noise, the chanting and the singing just blows you away" - Tawera Nikau "Standing Tall"
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| Quote: Slugger McBatt "Couldn't see anything in the deeds that suggested that though.'"
FYI This is the planning condition attached to the Cala Homes approval:
22. The development shall not commence until a replacement playing field facility of equivalent or better quality and subject to equivalent or better management arrangements has been provided in a location to be approved in writing by the Local Planning Authority and in consultation with Sport England.
To secure a replacement facility in accordance with Unitary Development Plan policy L3.
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| Quote: bigalf "FYI This is the planning condition attached to the Cala Homes approval
So that is something that the council could decide not to impose on a second planning application (ie, on whoever bought it next).
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| Quote: The Clan "It's my understanding that there are two restrictive covenants on the sale and future use of the ground.
The first has been there since the land was bought/donated 100 odd years ago and states something along the lines of the sports club cannot be evicted and the land used for other means without there being an alternative home found for the club.
The second has something to do with sport England and the provision of sports & Athletic space, and again statescthat the land cannot be used for anything other than sports recreation unless it's replaced by land and facilities that match or improve on the existing provision.
Now I'm not cast iron certain that these covenants are still in force but I've heard that they are.'"
Yes that was my understanding of it too Clan
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| Quote: altofts wildcat "Are you willing to let us know what this potential shake up might involve?'"
Will reveal all Friday morning
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| Quote: BIGAL1 "Will reveal all Friday morning
I can't wait, hope it is good news.
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| The closer it gets to decision day, the more i think the RFL are going to backtrack and increase the league to 16.
I think that this removal of any one heartland club while Crusaders are in such a mess has been very unpopular with the SL clubs, and to justify keeping Crusaders in, which the RFL expansionists want, they have had to cut a deal.
I think that Widnes will be allowed in on Thursday and some smoke screen will be caused to prolong the decision to bring in one from Barrow, Halifax and perhaps Toulouse ( a decision that has ready been ratified, a bit like the Widnes one!!)
Everyones sky money goes down, but all clubs have got two extra home games to claw it back, that will keep the big clubs happy as their matchday revenue is considerably higher, and the medium clubs happy as it gives them time to develop their matchday income and the smaller clubs are just relieved to still be in.
To me its common sense, but its just my guess.
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| Quote: kinleycat "The closer it gets to decision day, the more i think the RFL are going to backtrack and increase the league to 16.
I think that this removal of any one heartland club while Crusaders are in such a mess has been very unpopular with the SL clubs, and to justify keeping Crusaders in, which the RFL expansionists want, they have had to cut a deal.
I think that Widnes will be allowed in on Thursday and some smoke screen will be caused to prolong the decision to bring in one from Barrow, Halifax and perhaps Toulouse ( a decision that has ready been ratified, a bit like the Widnes one!!)
Everyones sky money goes down, but all clubs have got two extra home games to claw it back, that will keep the big clubs happy as their matchday revenue is considerably higher, and the medium clubs happy as it gives them time to develop their matchday income and the smaller clubs are just relieved to still be in.
To me its common sense, but its just my guess.'"
My heart wants to agree,but the brain indicates you/we are straw clutching.
The RFL couldnt care less whether a decision they make is unpopular with heartland clubs -- so why would they start to care now?
They have reiterated time and again that super league will not be increased beyond 14 teams at this time,it would take a major climb down from that stance to go for an increase.Even if everyone agreed it was the correct decision,i dont believe the RFL would swallow their pride and backtrack.
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| Quote: TURFEDOUT "My heart wants to agree,but the brain indicates you/we are straw clutching.
The RFL couldnt care less whether a decision they make is unpopular with heartland clubs -- so why would they start to care now?
They have reiterated time and again that super league will not be increased beyond 14 teams at this time,it would take a major climb down from that stance to go for an increase.Even if everyone agreed it was the correct decision,i dont believe the RFL would swallow their pride and backtrack.'"
Like you mate i dont think the RFL are that bothered, i just have the feeling that it is just so unpopular with the clubs and the supporters, who ultimately the RFL serve, that i think its more about not stirring up a wasps nest of ill feeling from within SL itself.
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| Quote: kinleycat "The closer it gets to decision day, the more i think the RFL are going to backtrack and increase the league to 16.
I think that this removal of any one heartland club while Crusaders are in such a mess has been very unpopular with the SL clubs, and to justify keeping Crusaders in, which the RFL expansionists want, they have had to cut a deal.
I think that Widnes will be allowed in on Thursday and some smoke screen will be caused to prolong the decision to bring in one from Barrow, Halifax and perhaps Toulouse ( a decision that has ready been ratified, a bit like the Widnes one!!)
Everyones sky money goes down, but all clubs have got two extra home games to claw it back, that will keep the big clubs happy as their matchday revenue is considerably higher, and the medium clubs happy as it gives them time to develop their matchday income and the smaller clubs are just relieved to still be in.
To me its common sense, but its just my guess.'"
Do we know how much the SKY money is per club?
Say it's £2million that means £28million to share out between 16 clubs instead of 14 = £1.75million each. So clubs need to make £250,000 back over 2 extra games. At an average gate price (including concessions etc) of £15 = about 8300 speccies per game. So for Wigan, Leeds, Hull and maybe a couple of others they would be better off. Some clubs would be fairly close to break even point (Cas, Hull KR, Saints, Hudds) and some would be a bit worse off (eg Harlequins assuming 4000 crowds would be £130,000 worse off).
It could be a possibility given those numbers - your problem would be that the clubs likely to be worse off are the expansion clubs and would the RFL go for that?
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| Quote: Fordy "Do we know how much the SKY money is per club?
Say it's £2million that means £28million to share out between 16 clubs instead of 14 exactly my point it makes sense
It could be a possibility given those numbers - your problem would be that the clubs likely to be worse off are the expansion clubs and would the RFL go for that?
if i were being flippant i would say that either the RFL would probably subsidise them, or just write off their debts when they go bust again, but i aren't so i won't
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| Quote: altofts wildcat "I can't wait, hope it is good news.'"
Check Friday's date.
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| My prediction is that if it is Widnes on Thursday, it is just us going down. If it is anyone other than Widnes, it is us and Cas, as Widnes seem like a shoe-in (and if Widnes don't get in, what chance have we got of ever getting back in again).
I thought on paper, our Oakwell application seemed strong. Unless Eric Pickles sorts out the public inquiry in two months, I don't see a strong application at all. If it is based on Belle Vue and a hope of a future stadium, we are level with Cas, except they haven't had the financial problems we've had and there is no perception that they have reneged on stadium promises. They just haven't fulfilled them. We've got Queens Drive and Thornes Park on our record.
Toulouse better not get in. A trip there is my consolation prize.
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