I was a huge fan during his first stint - when he was undeniably brilliant; it never really came together after his spell at Salford, and his actions at the end of the season will, for many, be unforgivable. Without knowing all the details of that, I'll just wish him well for the future.

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I know people with mental issues and they are hard work, but I dont blame them as its out of their control. This is very insensitive

ike many have said his first stint here was brilliant a cracking passer of the ball, Kirmo thrived off his passes. Thought he had a very poor year this one but so did many; I never rated him as a kicker in play though. All the best for the future.

I agree about the kicking, and that has been one of our downfalls this year (in fact since Sykes left) but I remember a 'no look kick' he did at Salford. It was on tv and they had to get the second camera to catch it as he even made the camera man look the other way. Was outstanding.

DJ. I am not looking for an argument with anybody and I hope that people with any illness mental or otherwise receive the treatment and support they need, but come on if getting behind the wheel of a car when you are drunk is "out of your control" then surely you should be in a secure environment where you can not be a danger to yourself or others. Like I've said on a previous post I know a mother who lost her daughter to a drunk driving a car head on into her....I think it is totally unacceptable behaviour.
I wont be contributing to this thread anymore....i think i have made my point....i appreciate it is at odds with what others think/believe and i am genuinley shocked that my view is seen as insensitive.

Your view is exactly that, YOUR view and you're entitled to it as much as anyone else. Our views are the product of our own experiences and knowledge of a subject or circumstance and as such they're not completely wrong or completely right.

Views are often polarised by events such as the one you know of and its harder to empathise with the other party in such circumstance.

In the case of mental illness the very last person to realise they're in 'no fit state' is the one with the illness, so getting behind a wheel doesn't seem wrong.

They should be separated from the drivers who just don't give a shjt and arrogantly risk other people's lives because they think they're in control even when they've had a skinfull.

A great player and had to carry us every time he played sadly he couldn't always do it. Sadly never fulfilled his potential. The no look pass to Washy at Cas last year to win the game will live long in the memory, sad it ended the way it did but wish him well for all the good things he did do.

Avenger,
I did say that i wouldnt be posting anymore on this thread (mainly due to the fact that i think i have made my view pretty clear and i am not posting to inflame others or to "win" the argument). I do feel however that your post was great and you are right, we are all influenced by our experiences and i did want to say how refreshing it is to see someone with a differing view put it across in a way that is both adult and reasonable. Perhaps on reflection i should have said that he "behaved" like a moron rather than to say that the fella was a moron, I dont know the guy and we are all entitled to make mistakes in our lives, its just that in my opinion some things are pretty serious and for me this was one of those situations where it went beyond a silly mistake.

Really, Bi-polar disorder of which I have some experience (no it's not me) does not automatically make you behave like an . It can explain certain parts of Smith failings but by no means all.

Good luck Timmy in your career and whatever the future holds for you. i'm sure SL didn't see the best of your abilities.

Wasn't Liam Finn done for drink driving? What's everyone take on that? Paul Aiton is another. Does that mean he can never return to Wakefield?

Danny Brough was wasn't he? Team Bus in Workington IIRC.

Where do you draw the line? If Tim Smith had been done for the same thing during the run to the play offs in 2012, I'm not sure people would have been as quick to want him out. And I do believe some of those calling him would happily have Aiton and Brough back.

Wasn't Ben coccian done for DD but agar said " its his last chance "