My thoughts exactly

The rugby is crap? - Its some of the most entertaining enterprising rugby in the first half and if things would have gone our way we would have been 18-6 up at least.
We lost the plot in the 2nd half.

I was bored to tears sometimes with JK's play.. It'll take time for us to develop some more compsure and a better ideas of where players are. We've 18 new players got to give them atleast half a dozen games.

I told you before and believe what you want or ask players you know, moore was forced out by agar, and no matter what the official spin was, the lad decided enough was enough at being ostracized for no reason, similar to how Mathers was at Cas. Im sure the lad would come back in a heartbeat but it wont happen while Agar is in charge.
Even if agar did not see him as his starting choice, at least now he would have an option as no goalkicker and no kicking game, and isaac John not really doing a great deal of anything. If Tim Smith was to get injured then there would be a real problem because he appears to be the only one making anything happen on occassions.

I think the fundamentals of kicking and catching need serious work!!! plus Bradford were running from dummy half 4 out of 6 plays in the first half and none of our players seemed to realise this!!! we had no control of the ruck meaning Bradford could run riot..

It was and it was not foolish it was personal, and without saying he would have ripped the league, he certainly would have offered a far superior kicking game, and goalkicking option than any of the current squad offer.
Now would have been the perfect time to bring in Moore, as clearly John in the 4 games I have seen has done very little. This only shows why Agar's coaching ability has always been constantly questioned by Hull fans.

Agree, especially with the last sentence.

We went in at half time and looked by far the better side but down on the score board.Yes they scored from an interception but the first try the Bulls player was offside.We were our own worst enemy in the second half giving the Bulls easy yards through silly penaltys.Had we made that pressure in the first half into points on the board the outcome would have been vastly different.We need some other players practicing goal kicks to see if we can turn a kicker up.

Can't understand why the ref didn't go to the screen

having had time to reflect on the game, and i have just about decided to wipe it off the planner without watching it, here are my thoughts (if for no other reason than a bit of therapy)

we lost the game in the forwards, as has been alluded to on here many times (lack of size). bradfords pack made the room and time for jeffries to have fun.

IF we are going to play with a small pack, then we need to run down the fringes more.

as for the "key" players....

smith is playing a lot better than many give him credit for
john is not doing enough for me (could be associated to the pack problem), and i have a feeling that him missing the goal kicks is having an effect on his confidence, and for that position you need to be confident.
aiton is going ok

i would give the kicking duties to someone else and give johns one more chance, or alternatively let wood play there and either bring in ellis or have johns on the bench.

OK, not 'crap' but niaive at best. How many times have we beaten 'better sides by playing with control? I would rather we played with some control and won some games and add the 'flair' stuff as we go along, rather than just fling it around and give cheap ball to the opposition.

I'm not advocating a return of JK, and I know we will be better in the long run, but we have to walk before we can run!

I think some of that 'control' will come in time, when the players know each other and their structures better, and start to know instinctively that people will be in the right place at the right time; watching the games from this weekend, the best sides seem to have lots of bodies in motion and the ability to throw passes in certain moves almost without looking - they know the runner or support player will be there so they feel confident in making the pass, or know when not to.

I was disappointed with the second half performance on Saturday, but it didn't look like the type of capitulation we've witnessed for the past couple of seasons; more like frustration and an inability to close out a tight game. For me, the lack of coherence is due to the team being, for all intents and purposes, a brand new one - we're not unlike Widnes in that respect, but with 3 months less to recruit the players we needed.

Pretty much agree with you here. Some of the link up play is great to watch, however too often it goes over the top. The pass from Ainton to Fox is a prime example, unless it was the last tackle? I mentioned earlier the intricate play is done in the wrong area of the field for me which is putting unnecessary pressure on the defence when the ball is spilled. Yet with the try line begging the invention appears to dry up.

I always thought this was a bedding in season and wasn't expecting much and I still feel that way, despite how frustrated I felt on Saturday night. I think John will come good in time, it takes a while for some overseas players to settle so I wouldn't bin him off so soon, however I do think if should be relieved of the kicking duties to allow him to purely concentrate on his game.

I'm willing to stick with John to see if talking the kicking off him helps his general play. The question is who takes over the role? Would it be worth maybe dropping Mellars who hasn't pulled up any trees yet, shifting Cockayne into the centre and bringing Morton onto the wing. Would we gain enough added benefit in him playing the Jamie Foster role if you like?

No, unfortunately, Mortons defence has been found wanting in his last few first team outings.
I cant believe that there is nobody in the starting 13 that cannot kick goals reasonably well. We dont want/ need Johnny Wilkinson, just an 8/10 kicker that we feel confident will bang them over unless thy are within 5 metres of either touchline.

i watched from a box behind the posts (not seen it on TV yet) but my impression was that we passed the ball sideways alot, mainly towards Collis but there were no inside runners or change of angle to hold up the defence. Three or four times Collis got the ball but was running towards touch and was only 5-10 yards from the touchline, effectively taking the winger out of the game and making us really easy to defend. I guess it looks flashy but its just not effective.

We started the game really taking it forward, rather than sideways and were absolutely smashing them in the first 20. Also, Tim Smith needs to get his shirt dirty on occasion - the one time this season he actually throws a dummy the defence might actually take it.