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Quote: vastman "Oh the irony, you have no idea - you are a jonny come lately bandwagon jumper who since arriving on the forum has shown nothing but contempt for people who don't share your opinion on Ted - if there is a bully on this forum it's you.
How long do i have to be on here to be accepted on the vastman scale?
Its not a bandwagon, its reality, in case you havent noticed your fairly unique

It's you who has the obsession with Ted not me. The man ran the club for 17 years almost everything that is currently happening and has happened has something to do with him, it would be impossible not to - are you so thick you can't see that.
You jump to the beat of the drummer,anything Ted and you're on, anything positive about the club and you're on, your a bit of a one trick pony really.
FFS grow up, it's nothing to do with being pro or anti Ted - it's to do with the truth, something that is an utter stranger to you.
as above
Your child like attitude of allegiance is pathetic, you've turned this into a personality issue not me. My allegiance is to the club NOT Ted and NOT AG...CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
I dont think you understand the word
I don't share your desire to put a positive spin on everything as if that makes it right. I believe what I believe live with it.
but you used to in the old days, when everything was wrong, people post anything positive now its because in such stark contrast they are, it doesn't need spin
So I set myself above others do I so what part of this statement did you not get "It doesn't give me special rights or make my opinions more or less valid"!!!!
YOU are not in the same class as ME when it comes to supporting Trinity
lifted from your previous rant, it clearly gives you the right to talk/rant bollox
I don't care what you think of my opinions, I don't care what you think of my perceived loyalty to Ted, I don't mind arguing with you I'm no saint I enjoy it - but to question my loyalty and commitment as a supporter of the club is way out of order and I draw the line there - and all because I'm not willing to embed myself as far up AG's bum as you!

Why because i agree with what is happening does that make me "up AGs bum", surely in such stark contrast you would have to be clinically insane not to support his actions, a sign that you show in abundance.
So for the fourth time of asking what was a valid question, who told you?'"

And for the second time of answering, i aren't going to betray a confidence to pacify the likes of you.

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Quote: vastman "No you're not, you just don't listen - which is the point I made in the first place.

I await further personal abuse and other assorted nonsense. I don't believe that in our situation, borrowing money when you were failing to pay your debts was a) a good idea, and b) one that no bank would be willing to support us in, not because of anything short of our own past recored. one that became abundantly clear with us entering admin.
TRB believes otherwise, and i respect his view, i just subscribe to it, i am not convinced that it would have done us any favours.
What don't you understand about that?

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Quote: kinleycat "And for the second time of answering, i aren't going to betray a confidence to pacify the likes of you.'"


So basically I have to justify everything I say especially about the previous regime - but you don't have to betray confidences to the likes of me - interesting - says a lot about you.

Frankly I just think you make it up as you go along, you're just riding the wave for all it's worth.

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Quote: kinleycat "I don't believe that in our situation, borrowing money when you were failing to pay your debts was a) a good idea, and b) one that no bank would be willing to support us in, not because of anything short of our own past recored. one that became abundantly clear with us entering admin.
TRB believes otherwise, and i respect his view, i just subscribe to it, i am not convinced that it would have done us any favours.
What don't you understand about that?'"


Your view is simplistic, unrealistic and based on assumptions and gossip - because you were not there or anywhere near. TRB's word is not gospel but I'm 100% certain it's based on more first hand knowledge than yours.

Just listen, read between the lines and try to accept most things in life are not always what they seem at first.

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Quote: vastman "Your view is simplistic, unrealistic and based on assumptions and gossip - because you were not there or anywhere near. TRB's word is not gospel but I'm 100% certain it's based on more first hand knowledge than yours.'"

What FACTS have you based your assumptions on, and why would i have to be there, and have first hand knowledge to assume that the banks would look upon us as a bad investment, based on our track record rather than on back of the whole banking climate having changed?

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Quote: kinleycat "I don't believe that in our situation, borrowing money when you were failing to pay your debts was a) a good idea, and b) one that no bank would be willing to support us in, not because of anything short of our own past recored. one that became abundantly clear with us entering admin.
TRB believes otherwise, and i respect his view, i just subscribe to it, i am not convinced that it would have done us any favours.
What don't you understand about that?'"


Time is the only thing that will tell. The signs are good going forward - and I generally live in the belief that things happen for a reason. We weren't meant to get Pickles decision and, if we don't get the decision in July then we weren't meant to - that doesn't mean I won't be mightily pee'd off though!

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Quote: kinleycat "What FACTS have you based your assumptions on, and why would i have to be there, and have first hand knowledge to assume that the banks would look upon us as a bad investment, based on our track record rather than on back of the whole banking climate having changed?'"


Hold on, you're the one claiming to know something not me so why do I need any facts - I'm asking you to justify your comment, in this case I have nothing to justify - what's unreasonable about that.

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Quote: TRB "Time is the only thing that will tell. The signs are good going forward - and I generally live in the belief that things happen for a reason. We weren't meant to get Pickles decision and, if we don't get the decision in July then we weren't meant to - that doesn't mean I won't be mightily pee'd off though!'"


I agree to a certain degree (although i'm not really into karma), i just think that (everything crossed) when we get into NM or a thoroughly revamped BV or wherever, our chances of making a decent fist of it are massively increased as a result of recent changes at the club and they came as result or other unforeseen circumstances (i think i do believe in karma after all!!!).
Fingers crossed for a more positive second half of the year.

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Quote: vastman "Agreed, it only matters in a historical context now - however the past should always be remembered and put in order so we can learn from it.

If the 1000 turning up at the Cedar court is anything to go by then we are on the right track.'"

1001 if you'd have come.

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Quote: kinleycat "I don't believe that in our situation, borrowing money when you were failing to pay your debts was a) a good idea, and b) one that no bank would be willing to support us in, not because of anything short of our own past recored. one that became abundantly clear with us entering admin.
TRB believes otherwise, and i respect his view, i just subscribe to it, i am not convinced that it would have done us any favours.
What don't you understand about that?'"


Oh come off it, you're arguing for the sake of it now. Regardless of what effect it would have had on the old regime and the new I can't see how that could be anything other than a positive - talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face.

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Quote: kinleycat "1001 if you'd have come.'"


Damn, I let the club down again - thank god you made it eusa_clap.gif

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Quote: vastman "So basically I have to justify everything I say especially about the previous regime - but you don't have to betray confidences to the likes of me - interesting - says a lot about you.

Frankly I just think you make it up as you go along, you're just riding the wave for all it's worth.'"

It doesn't say anything about me at all, i'm just asking you for the facts, like you do, you made up the rule, i'm just establishing wether or not you subscribe to what you ask of others, and surprisingly you don't.
When you're looking up ALLEGIANCE, also look up HYPOCRITE. c020.gif

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Quote: vastman "Oh come off it, you're arguing for the sake of it now. Regardless of what effect it would have had on the old regime and the new I can't see how that could be anything other than a positive - talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face.'"

No simply explaining my opinion, which you failed to understand so i made it clearer for you, if you didnt want me to you shouldnt ask, its all under HYPOCRITE if you look.

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Quote: kinleycat "I agree to a certain degree (although i'm not really into karma), i just think that (everything crossed) when we get into NM or a thoroughly revamped BV or wherever, our chances of making a decent fist of it are massively increased as a result of recent changes at the club and they came as result or other unforeseen circumstances (i think i do believe in karma after all!!!).
Fingers crossed for a more positive second half of the year.'"


I agree with that statement - whilst appreciating that Ted is at least responsible for giving us the opportunity at NM we so crave.

It was time for change, and although Ted always claimed that the door was always open to new investors etc (and I truly believed that in his mind he believed that), I can't really see any other way that it would have come to an end than the way it did - unfortunately. In the end we lost, Ted lost, his family lost - so it's not worked out for anyone.

Enough now on this thread - time to move on! icon_cool.gif

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Agreed.

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